PA and Harrington

Ok - I just finished HoHE2 and was thinking about M and Q. Is there any way to get PAHUD or another program to display these for SNGs? Preferably UB SNGs?

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M and Q calculations are simple division. If you can't do that in your head, you shouldn't be playing.

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M and Q calculations are simple division. If you can't do that in your head, you shouldn't be playing.

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Hi,
I haven´t read Harringtons book, so what is "M&Q". Could someone please fill me in??

//M

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M and Q calculations are simple division. If you can't do that in your head, you shouldn't be playing.

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Hi,
I haven´t read Harringtons book, so what is "M&Q". Could someone please fill me in??

//M

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M is the total size of the prebet pot (SB + BB + Ante) divided by your stack size. This gives you a relative position to the rest of the people at your table as well as a realistic count of the number of hands you have before the blinds cripple you. Its basically a measure of tournament health.

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M and Q calculations are simple division. If you can't do that in your head, you shouldn't be playing.

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Hi,
I haven´t read Harringtons book, so what is "M&Q". Could someone please fill me in??

//M

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M is the total size of the prebet pot (SB + BB + Ante) divided by your stack size. This gives you a relative position to the rest of the people at your table as well as a realistic count of the number of hands you have before the blinds cripple you. Its basically a measure of tournament health.

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OK. And Q...??

//M

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M is the total size of the prebet pot (SB + BB + Ante) divided by your stack size. This gives you a relative position to the rest of the people at your table as well as a realistic count of the number of hands you have before the blinds cripple you. Its basically a measure of tournament health.

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OK. And Q...??

//M

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BTW, he's wrong. M is your stack size divided by (blinds+antes). Not the other way around. Q is your stack divided by the average stack. It gives you an idea of your standing relative to the rest of the table.

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M and Q calculations are simple division. If you can't do that in your head, you shouldn't be playing.

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Sure - until you have to calculate the M of 10 players at 4 different tables in about 3 seconds.

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M and Q calculations are simple division. If you can't do that in your head, you shouldn't be playing.

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Sure - until you have to calculate the M of 10 players at 4 different tables in about 3 seconds.

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I could do this easily. It's just as easy as looking at the number PokerAce would give you. Seriously, how hard is it to look at the blind size, then compare it to the stack size?

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I could do this easily. It's just as easy as looking at the number PokerAce would give you. Seriously, how hard is it to look at the blind size, then compare it to the stack size?

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Its not particularly complicated... until you have a short table with antes and big stacks making for a lot of quick math - especially if we talk about effective M which then requires you to divide by the number of people at the table. Im not saying that I cant do it, im just saying that a utility that has it on the screen already would be handy.

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M and Q calculations are simple division. If you can't do that in your head, you shouldn't be playing.

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I think this is an unfair statement. Believe it or not, simple division and addition is actually hard for most people to do quickly. Calculating 9-10 M's (assuming single table) within 5 seconds is virtually impossible for the vast majority of players. This would be a great feature for software like PokerAce.

I do not think a feature like this would be against any TOS and if it was I would say that's very unreasonable. Sites already give you the average stack size so you're 90% the way there with Q. All of the information you need is available to you and I don't see this as any different than popping open the calculator and running some numbers really quick. If a program like Texas Calculatem can calculate odds based on fold depth *and* give you recommendations, I don't see how any poker site would have a problem with the assitance with trivial arithmetic like pot odds, M, and Q.