OK let's try the value of X Y Z

[crashdavis]

The game is 1/2 stud with .25 ante .5 bring-in

The game is 8 handed, loose but not aggressive, a lot of calling stations, if some one makes a flush/straight they usually don't raise until its made. Not even a raise on 4 card draw. Two pair wins seem common maybe it is my perception.

So given that all of the above and you are sitting at a table. You have XY Z (high cards or low cards)

what value would you put in a hand if you see none of your X Y or Z out?

What about no X Y Z out on fourth street?

Also can someone tell me the odds of improving to two pair when all three of your starters are live.


Disclaimer -- I am posting this to start a discussion. I have read Ray Zee and other people who say dont stary with a high pair or better. I am just wondering if anyone would lower their standards in a calling station type game, that it is easy to read your opponent.