Value betting the donk. Live 5/5

Chaostracize · #1 11-20-2005, 06:18 PM

Playing 3-handed with BobboFitos and an enormous fish. The guy wants to play so well, and he's so horrible. Someone came to sit at our game, decided not to and announced that we "knew what we were doing." For the next 15 minutes the donk kept saying "he just complimented us, that guy just complimented us, he thinks we're good!"

Anyway, he probably thinks I'm full of crap because I'm doing a lot of betting a raising. But he also knows I'm not a (complete) idiot.

Donk has about 1200 and I have him covered. Bobbo straddles for 10 on the button, donk raises to 25, I call with ATo, Bobbo folds.

Flop: QJ8r (Pot=60)

Donk checks, I bet 50, donk calls.

Turn: QJ8Kr (pot=160)

Donk checks, I bet 125, and donk... shows me his hand.

He shows me AQo and says... "did you hit that turn???"

After 2 minutes deliberation he calls.

River: QJ8KK (Pot=410)

Donk checks, I bet...?

Wayfare · #2 11-20-2005, 06:20 PM

Go all in!

FatalError · #3 11-20-2005, 06:27 PM

push, there is a huge gap in the middle between betting about 100$ here and betting it all, he calls alot when your bets are small, almost never when your bets approach pot sized, but as your bets approach all in, your chance of getting called actually slowly rises, and your bet looks more like a bluff. If you get called once when you bet 100, never when you bet 400, and one out of 8 times when you move all in (simple numbers) then you can do the math from there and decide what to do

punter11235 · #4 11-20-2005, 06:27 PM

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Yeah. I agree. It reminds of great thread by Limon about combating angles shooters some time ago.. unfortunately I dont have this link...

yvesaint · #5 11-20-2005, 06:31 PM

push, that river card is good (theres only 2 other Ks left in the deck, so theres even LESS chance you have one now!! right??)

plus donks like to make heroic calls more than they like to make heroic folds

edge · #6 11-20-2005, 06:34 PM

Push fairly quickly and avoid eye contact. He sounds like an awesome guy.

Chaostracize · #7 11-20-2005, 06:43 PM

About inducing the call from A high, I remember that, good thred.

BobboFitos · #8 11-20-2005, 06:44 PM

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Yeah. I agree. It reminds of great thread by Limon about combating angles shooters some time ago.. unfortunately I dont have this link...

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This guy = not an angle shooter.

This guy = moron.

This guy = hollywooded for 5 mins when i led into him on a 9 9 2r board saying "do you have the 9?" Obv it was a 3handed pot with Chaos still to act.

So in conclusion, he showed Chaos his hand, because he doesn't want to pay off a big bet, therefore, you should make a smaller bet, because this guy, once again, = sucks.

Edit*: My wording is a little harsh. AZK played a fun hand with him though, which I had listen to for the next 5 hours when he was on my right. Thanks, ari!

Im beginning to think an all in would be kinda cool though.

BobboFitos · #9 11-20-2005, 06:45 PM

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I had to remind him to post every 10 seconds. But yes, was alot of fun.

We actually got dealt so many hands, and the time charge was so low for 3 handed... I really, really want to do that again, and soon.

punter11235 · #10 11-20-2005, 07:14 PM

Ok here is something interesting :
Assume that after showing his cards your opponent become the best poker player ever and he will play optimally from now on (he will read your mind easily so any tries to "trick him" are futile). What now ? What's the correct betsize ? Can this question be answered at all ?
I will post the answer later I hope its interesting point.

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EDITED : to add description of perfect player