KK facing resistance postflop

jjacky · #1 11-11-2005, 07:56 AM

villain is 22/4.3/1.9 over 300 hands. no further reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Hero ($159.70)
BB ($200)
UTG ($492)
UTG+1 ($376.40)
UTG+2 ($196)
MP1 ($190.70)
MP2 ($227.75)
MP3 ($209.10)
CO ($66.20)
Button ($59.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, 7 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $9, 1 fold, UTG calls $8.

Flop: ($22) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $13, UTG raises to $26, Hero calls $13.

Turn: ($74) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $50, Hero ???

whats your play on the turn? how do you like the flop action?

Morrek · #2 11-11-2005, 07:59 AM

I think I'd find a fold here, you don't really beat anything but QQ

jjacky · #3 11-11-2005, 12:12 PM

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I think I'd find a fold here, you don't really beat anything but QQ

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yes, i can beat QQ and a bluff. i can't beat any full house (definitely a posibility), any J (not very likely imo) and AA (not so likely either).

that means this is a pretty easy laydown, right?

if so, i wonder which hands within my range i wouldn`t fold.

Godfather80 · #4 11-11-2005, 12:15 PM

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villain is 22/4.3/1.9 over 300 hands. no further reads.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Hero ($159.70)
BB ($200)
UTG ($492)
UTG+1 ($376.40)
UTG+2 ($196)
MP1 ($190.70)
MP2 ($227.75)
MP3 ($209.10)
CO ($66.20)
Button ($59.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, 7 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $9, 1 fold, UTG calls $8.

Flop: ($22) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $13, UTG raises to $26, Hero calls $13.

Turn: ($74) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $50, Hero ???

whats your play on the turn? how do you like the flop action?

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Fold and thank Villain for letting you off easy. He should have gotten a lot more out of you.

Kyriefurro · #5 11-11-2005, 12:59 PM

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villain is 22/4.3/1.9 over 300 hands

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Memorize these stats. They are the stats of the dreaded nut-peddler. You will also see a very low WSD stat, which accounts for the high AGF.

The only real way to "beat" these type of players is to stay out of their way, unless you get lucky and flop a well-hidden monster. They won't give you any action when you have a hand, but they'll certainly take you to the cleaners when THEY have one.

In this hand, when he raises on the flop, I'm worried and think about folding. When he fires again on the turn, I'm done with the hand. He's not afraid of that second jack, which means either he has one (or both) in his hand, or he has something to beat it. BTW 66 or 22 are not out of the question for villain's range.

jjacky · #6 11-12-2005, 02:02 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) internettexasholdem.com

Hero ($159.70)
BB ($200)
UTG ($492)
UTG+1 ($376.40)
UTG+2 ($196)
MP1 ($190.70)
MP2 ($227.75)
MP3 ($209.10)
CO ($66.20)
Button ($59.40)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls $2, 7 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $9, 1 fold, UTG calls $8.

Flop: ($22) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $13, UTG raises to $26, Hero calls $13.

Turn: ($74) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $50, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $124

Result:
UTG shows [ Ad, Ks ] a pair of jacks.

the action confused me quite a bit. didn't have any idea with which hands he would play preflop this way. i thought he probably had a pocket pair. i had a hard time to fold since i was far ahead against most PP. however i folded anyway because his betting sequence didn't look like a bluff.
good to see that most people think this is a clear fold on the turn.

he had a went to SD value of 13.5% btw!

#7 11-12-2005, 02:14 PM

The min-raise in my experience usually means one of two things.
1) Extreme strength
2) Extreme weakness

I don't play full ring online, but I know in 6-max, I am raising the min-raise a good portion of the time with KK here. (This of course depends on the villain and my table image also) If I face a 4-bet, I will go away because only complete lunatics 4-bet with air.

NYCNative · #8 11-12-2005, 02:16 PM

The minraise on the flop bet is a set most of the time, QQ and AJ a small percentage of the time and a "I'll bet he's just continuation betting on AK so I'll make a move" an even smaller percentage of the time. Given villain's stats, he's probably not tricky and making a move with air. AJ is still possible so a call of the raise is okay with me, but the second Jack means you have to retreat.

11t · #9 11-12-2005, 02:31 PM

Fold the turn. You don't beat some crazily played aa or aj.

I'd probably make up my mind on the flop as to how to proceed. If you think you have him beat, I'd shove it in.

GoCubsGo · #10 11-12-2005, 02:57 PM

You're being results oriented. He usually will have AA here and sometimes a J in his hand.