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Old 12-15-2005, 12:40 AM
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Default push with nothing?

Is this a situation that I should have avoided?
Or is this an opportunity?
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***** Hand History for Game 3202990995 *****
100/200 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 18287908) - Wed Dec 14 23:35:49 EST 2005
Table Table 67524 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: goobrettyboo (1040)
Seat 3: Jack_Stat (2395)
Seat 5: Isocene (410)
Seat 6: sw212 (555)
Seat 7: SpineyFish (1030)
Seat 8: furry1_72 (1455)
Seat 10: mcrooter (1115)
Isocene posts small blind (50)
sw212 posts big blind (100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to sw212 [ Js, Kh ]
SpineyFish folds.
furry1_72 raises (200) to 200
mcrooter folds.
goobrettyboo folds.
Jack_Stat folds.
Isocene folds.
sw212 calls (100)
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 4h, 5s, Ts ]
sw212 ???
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Old 12-15-2005, 12:44 AM
bluefeet bluefeet is offline
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Default Re: push with nothing?


if you pushed this flop, i think you played it fine.
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Old 12-15-2005, 12:46 AM
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Default Re: push with nothing?

assuming he called the pfr with the intent of pushing the flop? otherwise, why not just push preflop? im not often in the business of calling off 1/4th of my remaining stack with KJo, even if I am in the BB.
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Old 12-15-2005, 12:48 AM
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Default Re: push with nothing?

Since you didn't push pre-flop, now seems like a good time.
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Old 12-15-2005, 12:50 AM
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Default Re: push with nothing?

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assuming he called the pfr with the intent of pushing the flop?

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correct. though i didn't make that clear - ty. he's not getting a fold PF. he's likely behind. he has just enough FE to get a laydown pushing into a whiffed hand -- that now hasn't been given the opportunity to see 5 cards.

great stop-n-go opportunity IMO
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Old 12-15-2005, 12:53 AM
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bluefeet,

i found your reply quite insightful. i don't think i would have ever attempted to appply the ston-n-go concept to an area like this, but it makes a lot of sense in this case. you're definitely correct that his FE preflop is almost zero, and that its notably higher here. you made me think. i like your style.
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Old 12-15-2005, 12:54 AM
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Yeah, that's exactly what I was going for. I knew he wasn't going to fold to my push pf, so I though he might fold to a flop push if he whiffed.
To All, thanks for your input.
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Old 12-15-2005, 01:30 AM
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sorry -- misread OP
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Old 12-15-2005, 01:33 AM
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Default Re: push with nothing?

The stop and go part is fine, but what about coming in UTG with this weak a hand? If anyone else comes in, either raising or calling, you won't like having KJo OOP. It's the initial raise that seems dubious to me. I think it would be better to wait for a better opportunity. If you didn't have to get through so many people that would be much better.

For example, there's almost a 75% chance that someone has a top 20% hand, and anyone who calls will have position on you (other than the blinds), plus I don't see how a raise could be called. So it seems likely to me that the initial raise is -EV.
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Old 12-15-2005, 02:03 AM
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Default Re: push with nothing?

Great oppurtunity. I pull the Stop and go alot(probally to much) and get called with A high alot but worth a shot cause hes not folding pf.
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