Two poorly played hands, did I fold the best hands?

FreakDaddy · #1 10-04-2005, 02:54 AM

HAND #1
No read on villian. After 15 hands he was 42/10(PFR)/2.5(AF)

Table was generally tight. Could I have raised more pre-flop? Yes, but it's not that big a deal here. People were folding to 4xBB raise and I was about to leave. Any ways, I thought for a while about raising the turn, but decided to flat call. River smells like villian flopped a set (likely 4's), but does anyone call this? I'm not a fan of going to the felt with KQ or one pair for that matter.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

Hero ($23.75)
MP1 ($24.65)
MP2 ($18.85)
MP3 ($25.20)
CO ($25.15)
Button ($24.15)
SB ($55.75)
BB ($24.05)
UTG ($34.35)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
1 fold, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, MP2 calls $1, 3 folds, SB (poster) calls $0.90, 1 fold.

Flop: ($3.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $2, MP2 folds, SB calls $2.

Turn: ($7.25) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $4, Hero calls $4.

River: ($15.25) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets $20, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $35.25

HAND #2
Please no comments on mini-raise. I should have raised at least 4xBB, but didn't. Other comments appreciated.

Villian 37/10(PFR)/1.29(AF)/16%(WTSD) 40 hands

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UTG+2 ($24.90)
MP1 ($25.30)
MP2 ($6)
Hero ($28.15)
CO ($0)
Button ($23.24)
SB ($29.90)
BB ($41.20)
UTG ($20.05)
UTG+1 ($26.50)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
5 folds, Hero raises to $0.5, 1 fold, SB (poster) calls $0.40, BB calls $0.25.

Flop: ($1.50) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets $0.25, BB folds, Hero raises to $1.5, SB calls $1.25.

Turn: ($4.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $3, SB calls $3.

River: ($10.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets $10, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $20.50

PokerFink · #2 10-04-2005, 03:02 AM

I think both are pretty clear folds. Your opponents might be bluffing sometimes, but you don't have that much invested and it's just not really worth it to find out.

PoBoy321 · #3 10-04-2005, 03:12 AM

Hand 1: Fold pre-flop. As you played it, bet more on the flop and I'm inclined to raise the turn, check behind on the river.

Hand 2: Raise more pre-flop, otherwise looks fine.

#4 10-04-2005, 03:14 AM

I fold both of these on the river. Will be better opportunities to get some cash in the middle.

FreakDaddy · #5 10-04-2005, 03:19 AM

Fold hand 1 pre-flop at this level? [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Come on. I agree with you about the turn though.

FreakDaddy · #6 10-04-2005, 03:20 AM

Yeah, I agree. I think I was ahead in hand 2, but it's just no worth it. Thanks for the feedback.

Homesig · #7 10-04-2005, 04:04 AM

Fold preflop??? Well obviously you don't like money then. KQ is a hand then needs to raised with in 6 max.
Hand 1: You played perfect.. Although I may throw a blocking bet out on turn because you can check call on the river. However, I use that play for alittle higher limits.

Hand 2: I usually lead out with kj the same way I lead out with kq. It really doesn't hurt to make it 1 preflop. I'd think for awhile and fold, say it's not worth the showdown. However, I believe you have the best hand. At this level Donks try to pull all kind of crap on the river.

Sorry about that I didn't see full ring post.. usually play 6 max

#8 10-04-2005, 04:06 AM

Those were 9 and 10 handed. How bout a limp?

kitaristi0 · #9 10-04-2005, 07:27 AM

I limp and fold to a raise with KQo here. Maybe even fold PF, depending on my feel of the table.

Edit: Just noticed you're UTG+1. I fold this PF.

PinkSteel · #10 10-04-2005, 08:02 AM

From UTG+1 I would limp KQo but never raise it. You're not trapping any money to your right, and you run much too great a risk of getting a call behind you, then being caught OOP with second-best hand in a sizable pot.

When SB check/calls the flop and then leads the turn, he's not afraid of the Q on the board, and you're beat. Fold the turn.