Top pair. OESD. Huge pot.

kyro · #1 06-03-2005, 12:39 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (10 handed) converter

Button (t955)
SB (t540)
BB (t1055)
UTG (t1280)
UTG+1 (t1575)
UTG+2 (t1485)
Hero (t975)
MP2 (t1005)
MP3 (t590)
CO (t540)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to t60, UTG+2 calls t60, Hero calls t60, 1 fold, MP3 raises to t100, 4 folds, UTG+1 calls t40, UTG+2 calls t40, Hero calls t40.

Flop: (t445) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+1 bets t100, UTG+2 calls t100, Hero??

Initial PF call is....well....debatable. Call of the reraise is a no-brainer. UTG+1 busted out of my other tournament on a ridiculously dumb call. So we show him no credit. Push or fold this flop?

Karak567 · #2 06-03-2005, 12:42 AM

I fold pre-flop but since you already know that...

push it!

Scuba Chuck · #3 06-03-2005, 12:50 AM

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I fold pre-flop but since you already know that...

push it!

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Sidekick · #4 06-03-2005, 12:52 AM

I would have folded this preflop, but since that is past...

I think the key to this hand is what are your reads on UTG+2 and MP3? You should have some idea on UTG+2 at least since he has accumulated a decent chip stack.

Without any reads on these two players I would push. I wouldn't be thrilled with it given the board and the preflop action, but given that you know UTG+1 makes bad calls I would figure in that there is a reasonable chance that he calls with a much worse hand.

This hand seems too strong to fold and calling here just seems wrong.

Hope this helps.

gumpzilla · #5 06-03-2005, 12:53 AM

I don't particularly dislike the PF call, and I think you should definitely push this flop. You're likely either way ahead or slightly behind. (EDIT: And I think you'll have a relatively hard time getting your straight paid by more conventional means; four cards to broadway on the board is kind of ominous. A flush hitting probably crimps your action as well.)

captZEEbo1 · #6 06-03-2005, 12:54 AM

My guess is that you'll end up with about a 30-40% chance to triple on through as I doubt you can win this pot without showdown. What's the buyin anyways?

Scuba Chuck · #7 06-03-2005, 12:56 AM

I'm pretty sure I can give Lorinda's answer.

If money per hour is your primary objective, PUSH!

Scuba

kyro · #8 06-03-2005, 01:08 AM

So nobody is worried that our diamond outs may not be good?

jgunnip · #9 06-03-2005, 02:38 AM

Definitely pushing if it's a rainbow flop. But I'm probably calling this one and pushing any non-diamond turn. I don't have much experience at the 55 level or higher but I'm sure a PF call like this is absolutely necessary from time to time since the competition is tougher and more observant. Or are the 55s still pretty weak?

Phill S · #10 06-03-2005, 02:46 AM

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Definitely pushing if it's a rainbow flop. But I'm probably calling this one and pushing any non-diamond turn. I don't have much experience at the 55 level or higher but I'm sure a PF call like this is absolutely necessary from time to time since the competition is tougher and more observant. Or are the 55s still pretty weak?

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I like your line post flop.

As for KQ, i divorced myself from than hand early-game long ago. If you wanna keep playing it, then i dont think you played it wrong preflop - the one thing im not keen on is how early your position is.

Phill