Another 77 hand

[jason_t]

I'm new to this table. 18/12/2 limps UTG+2. LPP 51/7.2/.6 limps along in MP1. I overlimp in MP2 with 77. I did not feel the table conditions were right for a raise; the three players behind me were loose. The 20/4/1 SB completes and an unknown but seemingly okay BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
SB bets, BB folds, UTG+2 raises, MP2 calls, I call, SB calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
SB checks, UTG+2 bets, MP2 calls, I raise

[McGahee]

I have the same stats as UTG+2 and on the rare occasion I can beat 7's in this spot I'm not calling a raise because I certainly don't have a K. MP1 has 2 cards, so this is standard I guess.

[bobhalford]

I like it. I myself would have 3-bet the flop to see how sb and UTG+2 react to it. Then see what they do on the turn. But the way you play it is probably better. You have a gutshot and top pair, and the flop looks like it's ripe with straight and flush draws. The problem is UTG+2 who may have two suited overcards like KTd. But he probably would have raised with any hand he might play with a K in it (18%/12%).I like the raise cause it may fold out the sb and give you a free showdown if none of the draws come through on the river.

[sweetjazz]

Phil Hellmuth say to raise and reraise preflop with your 7s. [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

But, more seriously, I think I like your line, assuming that you are not putting another bet in UI. I think I like your line because UTG+2 may actually fold 88/99 here, assuming he would not open raise with them in EP. A flop raise might clear SB at best, and even that is not a given. So I think you have to chance it and see a turn, and then decide whether to raise based on the action.

The question is, what does UTG+2 have that we can beat or get to fold? I think 88/99 might fold here. (It should fold here, but that doesn't mean it will.) UTG+2 could have 55 or he could have Axs with x most likely a 6. I doubt he's betting anything less than a pair here when he continues on the turn.

I think you should this turn if your hand was 88 (negating your gutshot outs), but your weak draw plus the potential of ending up with the winning hand (either having it now or being second best to UTG+2's slightly higher pair that he will fold to your raise) is probably enough to making raising right. I think it is close though, and probably worth of some math, but I'm not very good at math anymore. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[PokerSparky]

I like it. Obviously with this draw heavy board your equity is going to to change significantly with the turn card. So raising the flop would probably just pump someone's draw.

I like raising the turn and taking a free showdown UI. There's a decent chance your hand is best, and if it's not you have some outs (probably around 4) to a strong hand.

Edit: Can we fold to a turn three bet?

[W. Deranged]

Yep.

[bugstud]

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I have the same stats as UTG+2 and on the rare occasion I can beat 7's in this spot I'm not calling a raise because I certainly don't have a K. MP1 has 2 cards, so this is standard I guess.

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you never have 66/44/33 here or a big flush draw ever?

[McGahee]

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I have the same stats as UTG+2 and on the rare occasion I can beat 7's in this spot I'm not calling a raise because I certainly don't have a K. MP1 has 2 cards, so this is standard I guess.

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you never have 66/44/33 here or a big flush draw ever?

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Yeah sometimes - all the more reason to raise.

[gh9801]

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I'm new to this table. 18/12/2 limps UTG+2. LPP 51/7.2/.6 limps along in MP1. I overlimp in MP2 with 77. I did not feel the table conditions were right for a raise; the three players behind me were loose. The 20/4/1 SB completes and an unknown but seemingly okay BB checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
SB bets, BB folds, UTG+2 raises, MP2 calls, I call, SB calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
SB checks, UTG+2 bets, MP2 calls, I raise

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UTG+2 either has 55, a flush draw with a hand like KdJd or QdJd or more likely a set. With his stats he'd probably raise 88+ UTG and limp pocket pairs worse than 8s and some random big but not too great cards. Therefore I don't like this raise. I don't think this is for value against UTG+2's range and I don't think you can push him off his hand. On the bright side though you are probably beating SB and the LPP

[jason_t]

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Yep.

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What happened to the real W. Deranged?