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05-15-2005, 11:44 PM
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Normally I\'d Call But I Call Down Too Much
Villain seems TAG.
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is UTG with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, Hero calls. Flop: (7.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls. Turn: (4.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls. River: (6.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, Hero folds. Final Pot: 9.75 BB Yes? 
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#5
05-15-2005, 11:57 PM
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Re: Normally I\'d Call But I Call Down Too Much
Me no likey this fold. Given that the board paired, villain could easily have put you on a bluff and raised something like KK.
Heck, I'd bet/call this river even if the A hadn't paired, although I'd be willing to entertain arguments about why bet/fold is better.
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#6
05-16-2005, 12:06 AM
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Re: Normally I\'d Call But I Call Down Too Much
Given that the board paired, villain could easily have put you on a bluff and raised something like KK.
Err this probably isn't the case. The villian either has us toasted or he has something like KQ or a pocket pair under jacks. You are almost always going to lose in this spot if you call, but the pot might be big to warrent one. I dunno...I have never called and won in this spot personally (though the river bet is good). Brad
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#7
05-15-2005, 11:59 PM
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Re: Normally I\'d Call But I Call Down Too Much
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River: (6.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, Hero folds. Final Pot: 9.75 BB Yes? [/ QUOTE ] I don't understand this fold at all. I wouldn't be able to make it without an extremely specific read.
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#9
05-16-2005, 12:07 AM
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Re: Normally I\'d Call But I Call Down Too Much
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On the outside it looks bad, but I really don't see what Villain is raising here that you beat. [/ QUOTE ] You're almost 90% sure you're beat here? With the right read I can understand, but "Villain seems TAG" isn't enough in my opinion.
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#10
05-16-2005, 12:19 AM
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Re: Normally I\'d Call But I Call Down Too Much
this is almost always AK. I always call the raise wen I c/call c/call bet agaiinst unknowns, but with a read this fold is not "atrocious". a typical 2/4 TAG isnt going to be bluff raising KQ or QQ here.
if we were talking a tough table against a tricky player that could have TT hoping to fold out your KK/A9s then you have to be calling the raise more
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