Corollary to the perennial "Folding AA preflop" question

[Dr. Strangelove]

You post the big blind in a cash game, your stack is 100bb. First position opens for 3.5bb, weak player with 40bb raises pot, folded to another weak player with 50bb who moves in, strong player pauses and then moves in for 100bb, Cutoff with 150bb moves in, button (not terrible, but also not capable of laying down kk in this spot) with 100bb agonizes a bit and finally calls, SB with 150+bb looks around the table, looks back at his cards, rolls his eyes, and calls.

You look down and find 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] . Call or fold?

[PoBoy321]

Easy call.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

433,677,888 games 2.674 secs 162,183,204 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 32.4147 % [ 00.02 00.30 ] { AA }
Hand 2: 32.4147 % [ 00.02 00.30 ] { AA }
Hand 3: 00.0797 % [ 00.00 00.00 ] { KK }
Hand 4: 00.0797 % [ 00.00 00.00 ] { KK }
Hand 5: 00.7124 % [ 00.00 00.01 ] { QQ }
Hand 6: 00.7124 % [ 00.00 00.01 ] { QQ }
Hand 7: 33.5865 % [ 00.34 00.00 ] { 65s }


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EDIT: Actually, I've been thinking about a similar situation in limit Hold 'Em. If it's 3-bets to you pre-flop, there have been 4 or 5 callers in front of you and you have 78s, should you cap it?

[Logik]

First position opens for 3.5bb AQo, weak player with 40bb raises pot 99, folded to another weak player with 50bb who moves in AKs, strong player pauses and then moves in for 100bb KK, Cutoff with 150bb moves in AA, button (not terrible, but also not capable of laying down kk in this spot) with 100bb agonizes a bit and finally calls JTs hoping for live cards, SB with 150+bb looks around the table, looks back at his cards, rolls his eyes, and calls 78s

That's a lot of assumptions but if that's the case:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 04.8264 % [ 00.05 00.00 ] { AQo }
Hand 2: 14.7772 % [ 00.15 00.00 ] { 99 }
Hand 3: 08.1752 % [ 00.08 00.00 ] { AKs }
Hand 4: 09.3344 % [ 00.09 00.00 ] { KK }
Hand 5: 17.6908 % [ 00.18 00.00 ] { AA }
Hand 6: 13.4687 % [ 00.13 00.00 ] { JTs }
Hand 7: 14.1538 % [ 00.14 00.00 ] { 87s }
Hand 8: 17.5736 % [ 00.18 00.00 ] { 6h5h }


Of course, this would never happen in a live game. Or online for that matter, unless it was for play money. Then it happens every deal.

edit: I'd fold.

[KaneKungFu123]

[ QUOTE ]
You post the big blind in a cash game, your stack is 100bb. First position opens for 3.5bb, weak player with 40bb raises pot, folded to another weak player with 50bb who moves in, strong player pauses and then moves in for 100bb, Cutoff with 150bb moves in, button (not terrible, but also not capable of laying down kk in this spot) with 100bb agonizes a bit and finally calls, SB with 150+bb looks around the table, looks back at his cards, rolls his eyes, and calls.

You look down and find 5 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] . Call or fold?

[/ QUOTE ]

id fold.

[anduril]

if it's a capped buy-in game I'd call. If it's not I would bought in to cover the table and folded.

[Dr. Strangelove]

I want to know what the people who always say AA is an instacall here think. NOTE: SB is a strong player.

[creedofhubris]

[ QUOTE ]
if it's a capped buy-in game I'd call. If it's not I would bought in to cover the table and folded.

[/ QUOTE ]

I like this answer a lot.

[Dr. Strangelove]

[ QUOTE ]
If it's not I would [have] bought in to cover the table and folded.

[/ QUOTE ]

This kind of misses the point, because if you cover the table and any of the all-ins has significantly more than any other person at the table besides you, AA is an obvious call and 56s is an equally obvious fold. It is when you have 4(+) all-ins of approximately the same size (or covering you, same thing) when the action gets to you, that the ev of 56s and AA approach each other.

I think 56s is about as obvious a call here as AA, and when people basically say that lowering variance at the cost of minor edges is necessarily bad poker, they should realize that to maintain consistency they must call here.

[lies]

im calling here

[BobboFitos]

dont take this the wrong way, because this is a kinda neat idea, but this is a real futile exercise. this situation will never happen. instead of worrying about doomsday schemes where it occurs (and you wont know what to do!!!!!) perhaps work on other areas of poker may be more useful. but hey, maybe not!