KJs in the monkey house

[alThor]

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I like your analogy, well done!

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But this doesn't make sense (at least to me). I understand all of Bernie's last few posts, but none of yours, after the Pstove post.

Your equity with KJs is 31.9%. This means if everyone was all-in, with a $100 pot, your EV would be $31.90.

Your equity with KQs is 33.4%. This means if everyone was all-in, with a $100 pot, your EV would be $33.40.

Your EV is $1.50 higher with KQs, or 1.5%. You don't get to pocket an extra 1.5% of EV (totalling 3%) just because everyone else is worse off under your KQs. There is no "greater than 7 point swing" analogy here, when we are already talking in terms of equity.

Still confused,

alThor

[Joe Tall]

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Your equity with KJs is 31.9%. This means if everyone was all-in, with a $100 pot, your EV would be $31.90.

Your equity with KQs is 33.4%. This means if everyone was all-in, with a $100 pot, your EV would be $33.40.

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This is the problem with usuing PStove is that we aren't all in preflop and we can make up the extra postflop w/position and excellent postflop play.

[bernie]

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This is the problem with usuing PStove is that we aren't all in preflop and we can make up the extra postflop w/position and excellent postflop play.

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Which goes for both hands. Imo, KJs isn't that much tougher to play in this situation postflop than KQs.

But this also doesn't mean that KJs is -EV to play in this spot. It just means KQs is better.

b

[slavic]

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KJs isn't that much tougher to play in this situation postflop than KQs

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This is true, however we do increase our chance of domination with KJ versus KQ and that increases our reverse implide odds postflop. With either hand if you hit a pair your going to see it through on this table, the preflop price makes it correct to do so the majority of the time.

KQ dominated by AK(12),AQ(12),AA(12),KK(6),QQ(6) [48 hands]
KJ dominates by AK(12),AQ(16),AJ(12),KQ(12),AA(12),KK(6),QQ(12),JJ (6)[88 hands]

This means that we go from roughly 4% of hands dominating us to 7%, so let's liberally say that this yokel is 3 betting with the top 10% of hands, can you see how bad of shape we are in?