AQs - the s is for sucks

Zoelef · #1 05-20-2005, 02:14 PM

I simply misplayed this hand. No reads, table is standard. Is calling the preflop raise okay given position? Is betting the turn stupid or just dumb? Any other crimes against the poker gods I should know about?

Party Poker 0.5/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, 2 folds, CO calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, CO bets, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, CO folds, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (9.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB calls, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls, BB 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

River: (18.50 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, BB raises, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 24.50 BB

Pov · #2 05-20-2005, 02:20 PM

If you were on the button instead of in the SB I would strongly consider 3-betting this pre-flop after those callers. I would at least complete here every time.

btspider · #3 05-20-2005, 02:23 PM

i think you should open check the turn and river.

aK13 · #4 05-20-2005, 02:23 PM

1. Why aren't we 3betting the river?

2. Why are we betting the turn?

2. I don't know if I agree about the preflop 3bet. Everyone is going to call one more bet, might as well wait to raise later so we don't bloat the pot.

davelin · #5 05-20-2005, 02:28 PM

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i think you should open check the turn and river.

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@bsolute_luck · #6 05-20-2005, 02:32 PM

we're staying in this hand on the flop because we think CO is bluffing and we have odds to call and then we get better odds thanx to UTGs goofyness?

istewart · #7 05-20-2005, 02:34 PM

I wouldn't 3-bet preflop either but it's mainly to do with position IMHO, not this:

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Everyone is going to call one more bet, might as well wait to raise later so we don't bloat the pot.

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Pov · #8 05-20-2005, 02:36 PM

I'm not seeing the call on the flop. When the CO bets this I think you have to raise it up to fold out as many of the hands between you as possible. From the looks of it you may have been 3-bet, but that would have told you you were up against a big PP and/or a T. Then you could have avoided betting the turn because you'd know you were unlikely to take it down though you would still be stuck calling now that you've picked up the nut flush draw. BB's play on the turn clearly indicates he has a big 'un he's trying to get max value out of. I would be wary of leading out with my flush without reads that he'd overplay a lone T this way. After the river raise it seems you must be up against a KT in the BB and maybe AA from UTG+1 from the way it played out is my guess.

Iq75 · #9 05-20-2005, 02:40 PM

Disclaimer: started playing poker only 6 weeks ago, so I probably don’t know what I am talking about.

Having said that,

could one raise the flop after Co bets or is there already so much money in the pot that those who are going to fold are going to do it anyway?

I would check the turn and value 3 - bet the river.

2+2 wannabe · #10 05-20-2005, 02:42 PM

i don't like some people's option of 3-betting the flop OOP - although if i was the button i might

if you're going to play after this flop you have to raise to clean up your 6 overcard outs. i don't think this is negotiable.

that's a terrible flop for you though - i dunno if i could stay around with 4 people (including the PF raiser) behind me.