215s - Standard Stop and Go?

Unarmed · #1 07-26-2005, 08:15 PM

Villain is bullying.
BB is extremely tight.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (5 handed) converter

Button (t5215)
Hero (t910)
BB (t1295)
UTG (t1505)
MP (t1075)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, Button raises to t500, Hero calls t400, 1 fold.

tigerite · #2 07-26-2005, 08:19 PM

Very standard I think

jeffraider · #3 07-26-2005, 08:22 PM

Very nice!

ChuckNorris · #4 07-26-2005, 08:26 PM

It isn't standard, since you are not closing the action preflop. I would go all-in pf to keep BB out of the pot.

Ian J · #5 07-26-2005, 08:28 PM

So, if I'm reading right, you'll have T410 to bet the flop with. I think if that's the case then you may as well push preflop because you're certainly crushing his range and you'd hate for the BB to call here. With say T1100 to start the hand, I think this would be better.

durron597 · #6 07-26-2005, 08:36 PM

This is a clear push. I don't want the BB to come in, and I want the button to call me with his crap so that I can more than double up.

TheDrone · #7 07-26-2005, 08:37 PM

My thoughts exactly.

gumpzilla · #8 07-26-2005, 08:37 PM

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So, if I'm reading right, you'll have T410 to bet the flop with. I think if that's the case then you may as well push preflop because you're certainly crushing his range and you'd hate for the BB to call here. With say T1100 to start the hand, I think this would be better.

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I agree with this. If you both whiff, he's getting correct odds to call, and so I'm not sure how much FE you buy yourself against the initial bettor by trying the stop and go, and closing out the BB from trying to come in getting 4:1 PF seems like a good idea to me. (I guess BB isn't really going to call all that often, so maybe that's not such a big concern. I still don't think the stop and go gets you much here, though.)

wuwei · #9 07-26-2005, 09:01 PM

Everyone who is arguing it's a pf push due to the BB, can you elaborate on the range of hands that an "extremely tight" BB will call for 300 of his 1300 stack with two opponents already involved? Then compare this to the range with which he calls a push.

Ian J · #10 07-26-2005, 09:09 PM

I'm in agreement with you that you're almost certainly going to be HU a majority of the time. However, my agrgument is that the stop n go is virtually rendered useless here with this stack size. I suppose there is also an off chance that the BB would fold a hand that you really want him to fold if you push rather than calling. i.e. 77 or AQ.