TT from BB-----3 Cold for me

mscags · #1 08-07-2005, 01:00 AM

I'm lost on this one..... Fold PF? Raise PF? First raiser was 21/10 over 170 hands and my notes on him said he was very aggressive and liked to bluf, second villian was 20/16 over 50. What should I be doing here?

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Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG raises, 1 fold, CO 3-bets, 1 fold, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, CO bets, Hero raises, BB calls, UTG folds, CO 3-bets, Hero calls, BB calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, CO bets, Hero .....

ActionMatt · #2 08-07-2005, 01:26 AM

i might raise to find out exactly where i was. if he reraises then u can lay it down and if he just calls u can be somewhat sure that you have the best hand. calling isnt a terrible play either.

mscags · #3 08-07-2005, 02:27 AM

What street are you referring to?

phy1234 · #4 08-07-2005, 03:05 AM

I just call preflop and see if it gets capped. Check raise on the flop looks good, 3 bet is kinda scary but he may still have AK and just want a free turn. K on turn is real ugly, you beat almost nothing seems like the place to let go.

Phy1234

kurosh · #5 08-07-2005, 03:20 AM

I fold PF.

mscags · #6 08-07-2005, 01:42 PM

Any particular reason why, or do you think there is just to strong a chance that I am behind to an overpair.

kurosh · #7 08-07-2005, 02:27 PM

A tight UTG raiser gets 3-bet by a semi-tight player. You have horrible position. You're either behind way behind to an overpair or they have a lot of combined outs in terms of overcards against you. Blah blah blah, reverse implied odds and such.

BeerMoney · #8 08-07-2005, 02:37 PM

Mike, best case scenario, you're against a pair smaller than yours, and overcards.. But, how often are you gonna be against an over pair and over cards..

sammy_g · #9 08-07-2005, 02:51 PM

Here's what PokerStove says. I've tried to give reasonable ranges for players with those stats. In fact, I think I've been a bit generous with player 1.

45,481,617,720 games 70.047 secs 649,301,436 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 27.0788 % [ 00.26 00.01 ] { AA-77, AKs-ATs, KQs-KJs, QJs, AKo-ATo, KQo }
Hand 2: 42.6353 % [ 00.41 00.02 ] { AA-TT, AKs-AQs, AKo-AQo }
Hand 3: 30.2859 % [ 00.30 00.01 ] { TT }

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If you look strictly at pot equity, there might be enough dead money in the pot to play, but it's close. The problem is you're out of position, and you will bleed off a lot of chips to bigger overpairs postflop. You're really only happy here if you flop a set.

This is a bad spot. I would just fold preflop.