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Old 12-02-2005, 03:30 PM
Grisgra Grisgra is offline
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Default Where do you give up? Blind wars at 20/40.

Folded to you in the SB. BB is a 50/20 LAG very common at the 20/40 Party scene.

You have KQo, and raise. He 3-bets you; you imagine he'd do this with a very, very wide variety of holdings (any pocket, any ace, probably anything T9o and up and maybe even some worse hands.)

Flop comes J42r. What is your plan?

Some (useless) results after I hear your thoughts.
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Old 12-02-2005, 03:37 PM
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Default Re: Where do you give up? Blind wars at 20/40.

I just fold cuz im a little bitch. A c/r will never move him off, he will bet every single street, making it max expensive for me to call down, and im behind the majority of his holdings now anyway.

I uber hate these spots, and my WR is prolly a direct reflection of how poorly I handle them [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 12-02-2005, 04:14 PM
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Default Re: Where do you give up? Blind wars at 20/40.

I hate this too. I think you can peel one atleast. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] Then when you got a real hand you go to war. And I mean war.
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Old 12-02-2005, 04:26 PM
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Default Re: Where do you give up? Blind wars at 20/40.

id cap preflop but i would just peel this flop. 7:1 plus implied odds is enough to peel 6 outs that probably arent tainted with metagame considerations.. he may also check the turn giving you another card to look at.
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Old 12-04-2005, 05:45 AM
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Default Re: Where do you give up? Blind wars at 20/40.

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id cap preflop but i would just peel this flop. 7:1 plus implied odds is enough to peel 6 outs that probably arent tainted with metagame considerations.. he may also check the turn giving you another card to look at.

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Old 12-02-2005, 04:28 PM
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Default Re: Where do you give up? Blind wars at 20/40.

if he has been getting out of line, and it sounds he is always out of line, i would cap preflop.

otherwise i peel one and fold the turn. what else can you do?
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Old 12-02-2005, 05:13 PM
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Default Re: Where do you give up? Blind wars at 20/40.

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otherwise i peel one and fold the turn. what else can you do?

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Why not call down?
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Old 12-02-2005, 04:32 PM
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Default Re: Where do you give up? Blind wars at 20/40.

Based on your description of his possible holdings, I think you need to cap this preflop. Also, I think you need to be calling this one down on a J42r board. I can't imagine a better board to call down on with KQo against the player you describe. I'm surprised most people are folding this on the turn.
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Old 12-02-2005, 04:37 PM
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Default Re: Where do you give up? Blind wars at 20/40.

If you're not comfortable calling him down on a lot of boards here you need to cap for value + initiative and try and run him over, particularily if he's kind of weak post-flop.
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Old 12-02-2005, 04:39 PM
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Default Re: Where do you give up? Blind wars at 20/40.

another option is to limp reraise pf. now you gain initiative with less bets going in pf. hmmm, i think im gonna do this more.
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