Tipping the floor in cardroom

[satelliter]

I used to work for a judge who refused to shake anyone's hand after settling a case even in chambers. He said the other party will wonder what was put in my hand. The floor may have to make a decision worth a few thousand $. Do any rooms prohibit tipping and is this an issue to anyone else?

[drewjustdrew]

By being a "regular", aren't you essentially paying more of the floor's salary than a tourist?

I don't think that answers your question.

[Howard Burroughs]

I once tried to give Vic a $20 tip for being the best floorman in Las Vegas (IMHO). He informed me that the rules don't permit Floormen to accept tips at Excalibur.

In Atlantic City tipping floormen is not allowed. It still happens, and I still do it, but it's technically not allowed.

[Jeffage]

How do you do it? Are you talking about floormen who double dip (as dealers)? I've never tipped floor in AC cardrooms and was pretty certain it couldn't be done.

Jeff

When I get my seat ahead of the list or get a quick table change that I requested, I wait for the right moment and drop a toke in the suit pocket or palm a chip.

Sleazy? Maybe. Appreciated? You bet.

At Bellagio there are players that would ask for a chop on a $1 chip if there were quarters in the rack, but will always throw a nickle or more to the brush and the chip runner. It's strange.

[Randy_Refeld]

It really depends on where you are. In large poker rooms the floormen do not double as supervisors so there is no problem with tipping them. Some places do not allow the floormen to accpet tips becaus ethey are also supervisors. Some places allow them to accept tips even though they are supervisors.

[bigfishead]

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At Bellagio there are players that would ask for a chop on a $1 chip if there were quarters in the rack, but will always throw a nickle or more to the brush and the chip runner. It's strange.

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Aint that the truth.

When Harrahs took over the Horseshoe in Tunica they implemented the rule of Floor not being allowed tokes. This is BS in the poker business. They didnt give them a raise to make up for it either. Then during the WPO they fired the 2 best shift supervisors in the county for taking tips!!

Now mind you these guys during the tournament were req'd to work 7 days a week, got no overtime, and no "tournament envelope".

Kenny Lambert Asked me to take over the shift. I refused stating exactly "Kenny why would I want to take a $500 per week cut in pay, AND have no job protection?"

It wasnt long after that I left.

Poker is not the pit. Floorpeople rarely if ever make biased decisions...least not the good ones. The pay sucks so let em accept tokes as has been done forever.

The pit mentality is to not allow tokes to floorpeople because they are making decisions with HOUSE MONEY. Obvious enuf reason.

Interesting side note: I just heard that Harrahs may be closing down the Rio poker room altogether and HAS begun closing at 3am. They also supposedly fired Greanbaum, a freaking food & beverage background guy whom was Southwest regional director of poker operations or sopme such. Not to worry folks...Harrahs will screw up poker just fine!!

Just rumors I cant confirm as yet.

[The Goober]

I never tip the floor where I play (small cardroom) but sometimes wonder if I should be. The thing about tipping is that if someone doesn't usually get tipped, if feels wierd to throw him a lousy dollar or two. I mean, the dealers get tipped every hand, so those dollars add up quick and I'm sure they genuinely appreciate each one. As for the floor, though, I'd feel strange giving him a buck or two and expecting him to feel grateful, but I don't think I can justify throwing him a green chip.

Any of the floormen on the board want to share their feelings on this?

This makes little sense to me to suggest that Floors should be allowed to take tokes becuase they aren't making decisions with house money.

The casino can protect itself from a floor by firing him if they think he is making decisons against the house in favor of a player simply because the player is toking him.

A poker player does not have the option of firing the floor person who they think is biased.

Allowing the floor to take tokes creates at the very least an appearance of impropriety, and I have seen Floor people make biased decisions -- not the major ones . . . just the little grey areas that always seem to go in favor of the regular player who takes care of everybody.

I certainly don't disagree with you that the floor should be making more money. It seems to me quite bizarre that dealers make more than floormen in many rooms. But to me allowing the floorman to take tips from players would be like allowing Umpires to takes tips from baseball teams. Even if the Umpire calls the game straight . . . It stinks.