Online pros: How many STTs per day?

[jwvdcw]

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Let me get this straight. You don't know how to calculate how many SNGs you need to play to make X per month given an ROI of Y. You've never really bothered to calculate your ROI, but you know you can beat the 215's 10 at a time. Now you are ready to drop $2000+ per set, just tell me how many to play....

Man, if your looking for a way to blow your bankroll I can think of a million more enjoyable ways to do it, but 10-tabling the 215's will be very efficient if your pressed for time.

I'm sure the 215 guys who are sharpening their knives right now will be pissed that anybody would tell you not to dive right in.

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I've played at this level for over 3 years as I've been working full time or a student. I've made over $40,000 in those 3 years just on STTs and another $60,000 or so playing MTTs. That is why I'm confident. Its just that I've never kept any exact stats.

[Nick M]

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I've played at this level for over 3 years as I've been working full time or a student. I've made over $40,000 in those 3 years just on STTs...

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huh???? this doesn't seem to jive with the numbers you posted above...do you mean you've been playing SNGs for 3 years??? Or do you really mean you've been playing the 215s for 3 years and only made 40k....I'm very confused.

[jwvdcw]

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I've played at this level for over 3 years as I've been working full time or a student. I've made over $40,000 in those 3 years just on STTs...

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huh???? this doesn't seem to jive with the numbers you posted above...do you mean you've been playing SNGs for 3 years??? Or do you really mean you've been playing the 215s for 3 years and only made 40k....I'm very confused.

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I've been playing poker seriously for over 3 years. I probably started playing the $215s 2.5 years ago. But I never 10 tabled until recently, and I was alsways a student or had a job until a few weeks ago, so I didn't play as much as I am now. The 40K is an estimate but I'd say that its fairly accurate. I have been up and down over that time, especially early on when I was still refining my game(not at all implying that I don't have much more to learn even still).

[redsoxsox]

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Let me get this straight. You don't know how to calculate how many SNGs you need to play to make X per month given an ROI of Y. You've never really bothered to calculate your ROI, but you know you can beat the 215's 10 at a time. Now you are ready to drop $2000+ per set, just tell me how many to play....

Man, if your looking for a way to blow your bankroll I can think of a million more enjoyable ways to do it, but 10-tabling the 215's will be very efficient if your pressed for time.

I'm sure the 215 guys who are sharpening their knives right now will be pissed that anybody would tell you not to dive right in.

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Just because he doesnt keep exact stats of his Roi doesnt mean hes not a good player.

[durron597]

Dude... you're better than this. I know you are, you know you are.

You know how do to the math.

[jwvdcw]

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Dude... you're better than this. I know you are, you know you are.

You know how do to the math.

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math doesn't take into account fatigue and your play getting worse if you play too much.

If anyone can actually answer my question, I'd appriciate it.

Never really saw an answer, so I'll toss one in..

From FAQ: "215s - 7% ROI" expected for solid multitable performance.

ROI*(BuyIn) = expected return per game = epg
Annual/epg = games required for annual = G/yr
then divide that by 52 (or 50, for a couple weeks off) for a games/week or whatever, so

7%*215 = 15.5 epg
100,000/15.5 = 6645 games/yr
6645/50 = 133 games/week

or if you're pessimistic (like me):
5% ROI => 186 g/wk
3% ROI => 310 g/wk
So, 50/day should be enough.
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but, without knowing the ROI, who knows. Despite the shape of the curve defined by those 3 points, playing infinite games will yield no profit from negative ROI.
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[jwvdcw]

sorry if this is a basic question, but when calculating ROI do you include the rake lost? And if so, then do you also calculate any rakeback? I think 30/day(210 per week) is easily attainable without burning out at all.

[Apathy]

8 tabling low double digits is doable longterm, but when planning for the future always use a signifigantly lower number to account for tilt fatigue etc.

This includes using a lower number for your estimate of # games/ week.


To the poster in this thread that said that you should never be playing less then 1k stts a month, I would like to say that I rarely play 1k stts a month and I play for a living and do just fine.

Playing well when you do and using your great amount of free time to live your life the way you want and enjoy yourself is what its all about.

[Degen]

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Playing well when you do and using your great amount of free time to live your life the way you want and enjoy yourself is what its all about.

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amen