AQs flushdraw misses, bluff?

[MrEngenic]

Villain is a solid player.

Party 2/4

Preflop: Hero is BB with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
UTG+1 raises, all fold, Hero calls.

Flop4.5 sb) J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls

Turn: (4.25 BB) 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG+1 bets, Hero calls

River: (6.25 BB) J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets


Against which type of players do you try this bluff? Is this a clear check/fold or a clear bet/fold on the river or is it very player dependent?

[imported_smoove]

Isn't this that Cardplayer hand of the day?

[jackdaniels]

He isn't folding this hand. Ever.

Ok, he may fold this if he was on some type of draw, but considering YOU were the one who had the only possible draw, I can't see him having any kind of hand here that he would fold.

[TheHip41]

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He isn't folding this hand. Ever.

Ok, he may fold this if he was on some type of draw, but considering YOU were the one who had the only possible draw, I can't see him having any kind of hand here that he would fold.

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There is $190 in the pot. The river is the disappointing J, so you have zero. Do you give up or bluff a bet?

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Bet. The top board-card pairing on the turn or river presents a bluffing opportunity to someone who is not the preflop raiser and has shown some strength on the flop. His hand is apt to be tied in with the board-cards. Despite your opponent's preflop and flop raises, he may not have an overpair. He could easily have only A-K or an intermediate pair. Maybe he should call with either of these hands, because there was a flush-draw on the flop, but if he thinks you are a real tight player, he may fold. (Frankly, this type of bluff works better if there was a rainbow flop and you have busted out on a straight-draw.)

On the actual hand, the opponent thought for quite a while, but finally mucked his hand. Penny wise, pound foolish. This is an example of a type of bluff that will not work against certain players, so it helps to know your opponents. It also shows that having a tight image has an upside; bluffs work more often

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Correction, people that suck at poker will fold this heads up. Anyone who doesn't suck will call you with any pair, and AK.

Betting here, online, has 0 chance of folding a better hand. If he folds, he had something like AT, but I dont' see anyone folding anytime soon.

[MrEngenic]

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Correction, people that suck at poker will fold this heads up

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Well, I would find a fold against passive players with AK or AQ here.

[TheHip41]

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Correction, people that suck at poker will fold this heads up

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Well, I would find a fold against passive players with AK or AQ here.

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Passive player don't bet the river with a hand that is losing to AK/AQ

With the action on this hand, I'm calling with AK everytime. I see a J never, i see a random PP sometimes, or a busted flush draw.

[jackdaniels]

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Betting here, online, has 0 chance of folding a better hand.

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I have tried this a few times and encountered the above. I have tried it againt TAG's representing a WA/WB line of play after I saw them use it themselves. Online, in multiple attempts, I have yet to have any success with this line.

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He isn't folding this hand. Ever.

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I agree. The way this hand was played I can only see villain holding an overpair or something like AJ. An overpair makes a crying call and a J raises you.

[TakeMeToTheRiver]

Is there any hand you beat that will call you?

Is there any hand that beats you that is folding? Possibly AK, but that's about it.

[jskills]

You're not getting him to fold. He likely raised you on the flop because he held AJ or KJs. Pot is not huge. Let it go.