AA in the sb, rethinking my river line

Chris Daddy Cool · #1 12-13-2005, 06:53 PM

2/4 on party, i guess you could say the table was "typical"

a guy open raises in LMP. i call in the sb with A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. the bb comes along.

Flop: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I bet. bb calls. LMP raises. I 3-bet. bb calls. LMP calls.

Turn: 4 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I bet. bb calls. LMP calls.

river: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I check intending to raise. bb bets. LMP folds. I changed my mind and just called, except that i really did press raise.

and i get 3-bet.

Eidal · #2 12-13-2005, 07:04 PM

Raise preflop. Why didn't you?

Flop/turn = standard.

Call the river reraise -- if he produces a 4 thats life.

FYI, I would have raised the river also because the BB will struggle to put you on an overpair based on your pre-flop line... or he may just be donk betting for no good reason. I see this play a lot at the 2/4.

#3 12-13-2005, 07:05 PM

*grunch*

PREFLOP: I usually don't like limping in with rockets, but I won't knock it too bad here.

FLOP: Given your preflop limp, looks good.

TURN: Maybe here you CR? One or the other.

RIVER: Don't like the CR idea here...the cat's out of the bag. Think I lead bet, but the only available draw - 3 5 for the OESD - just turned good. Maybe BB caught that third 4, but it would be weird.

ScottieK

Chris Daddy Cool · #4 12-13-2005, 07:18 PM

fyi, for those that don't know. when i use the term "open" that means they raised. so i didn't limp i coldcalled.

ZenMusician · #5 12-13-2005, 07:54 PM

After about the 50th time you do this and then look in
your PT database and see that AA is losing you will
cut out the FPS. This is not the level to limp. We
complain how they "always call" and here you want
them to and instead play it fancy. Not being mean,
just trying to get you to realize what I did in a shorter
timeframe. Good Luck Sir.

-ZEN

Entity · #6 12-13-2005, 07:59 PM

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After about the 50th time you do this and then look in
your PT database and see that AA is losing you will
cut out the FPS. This is not the level to limp. We
complain how they "always call" and here you want
them to and instead play it fancy. Not being mean,
just trying to get you to realize what I did in a shorter
timeframe. Good Luck Sir.

-ZEN

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You are my favoritest poster ever.

W. Deranged · #7 12-13-2005, 08:13 PM

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After about the 50th time you do this and then look in
your PT database and see that AA is losing you will
cut out the FPS. This is not the level to limp. We
complain how they "always call" and here you want
them to and instead play it fancy. Not being mean,
just trying to get you to realize what I did in a shorter
timeframe. Good Luck Sir.

-ZEN

[/ QUOTE ]

You are my favoritest poster ever.

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OMG this is awesome.

W. Deranged · #8 12-13-2005, 08:19 PM

C-

1. Pre-flop I'm okay with. Three-betting announces a huge hand and in a three-way pot you are going to be able to get your opponents to make such huge mistakes that this is okay. The only time I think not three-betting would be very bad is if either the BB were very loose and would often call two cold, the BB was very tight and would almost never call one, or the open-raiser was super-aggro and would often cap.

2. Flop is great. The reason you don't three-bet pre-flop is to generate flop action. Given relative position to the pre-flop raiser, bet-three-betting is much better than check-raising. Many ss opponents are way too loose with there raising standards on the flop in short-handed pots, particularly after being the pre-flop raiser.

3. I don't like a turn check-raise. You've announced too much strength at this point not to bet. A check-raise also will often only get two BB in anyway if the bet comes from the LMP guy, so you gain nothing over a bet-call-call situation.

4. I like bet-calling the river. If it checks through I'm going to hate myself. If I check-raise and get three-bet I'm going to hate myself. I really don't want either 0 or 3 bets going in on the river, and so I bet to assure 1 to 2 goes in.

I think you should call the three-bet. T6 is a possibility, as is a weirdly played overpair or a junk hand or something. You're not winning often, though.