$55-- FPS or Donk calling off my stack

[J-Lo]

reads: villain is super loose, will bet given the oportunity

thoughts: check flop, keep pot small, hella scary flop.
Turn bet could be any 2 cards-- no chance he has the flush. i have open ended straight draw (6 outs+3 A's) i'l call- i have A high!
river bet is a WTF, is he blocking? the flush didn't come, can't put him on a real hand, i've been passive and let him do the betting-- he must have nothing, stupid donk.

I think stack sizes are important to look at here


#Game No : 3178131914
***** Hand History for Game 3178131914 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $50 Buy-in + $5 Entry Fee Trny:18163178 Level:3 Blinds(25/50) - Saturday, December 10, 16:53:35 EDT 2005
Table Table 66801 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: ronmax11 ( $1700 )
Seat 4: jdawg10605 ( $2375 )
Seat 5: neZhdan ( $875 )
Seat 6: cschreiber ( $1765 )
Seat 7: chnkylover57 ( $2200 )
Seat 8: mmsbbb ( $1085 )
Trny:18163178 Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to chnkylover57 [ Ac 9c ]
neZhdan folds.
cschreiber folds.
chnkylover57 raises [150].
mmsbbb folds.
ronmax11 folds.
jdawg10605 calls [100].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 6h, 8h, Qh ]
jdawg10605 checks.
chnkylover57 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 7c ]
jdawg10605 bets [175].
chnkylover57 calls [175].
** Dealing River ** [ 2c ]
jdawg10605 bets [225].
chnkylover57 calls [225].

edit: thoughts

[bigt439]

You really think he has KJ or A5 that much on the river? He did call a raise pf, it's not some battle of the blind or limping hand. I can't see calling this river being right. I think the turn call is quite marginal as well. I don't know why he "can't have the flush" either.

[J-Lo]

His turn bet was a function of my flop check. He bets EVERYTIME u show weakness-- he hasn't been to any showdowns. on turn, i was gettin 3:1, vs a villain w/ a VERY WIDE RANGE w/ 9 outs. River bet left me totally baffled, why is he betting 225 into an ~775chip pot? Whenever i ask myslef this question, it's either a monster or a bluff, i can't figure out why he's doin it-- wreaks of a dark tunnel bet. Can't be a blockign bet, 'cuz nothing "got there." So either he has a monster or nothing-- agian i put the villain's range to be HUGE.

[Newt_Buggs]

From my point of view this river call looks insane.

[bennies]

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he must have nothing, stupid donk.


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LOL. haha

- I agree though...

[J-Lo]

What do YOU put the villain on at the river? Is that bet not a, "desperation, don't call me" bet? He knows i have nothing. With a weak hand, with showdown value, he'd check. I feel 1/2 these donks at the $55's are playing with their cards face up. Of course he proceeds to berate me after i call on river-- that should tell u what he had.
But the point is vs bad LAGs, callin a river "missed, dark tunnel" bet is +EV.
Also, who makes what sized continuation bet on flop?

[sofere]

FYP: [ QUOTE ]
reads: hero is super loose, will call given the oportunity

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Are you serious? You called down almost 25% of your stack with A high! and not even the nut A high. If you want to test to see where he is, reraise the turn don't call. I would much rather put an extra 300 on the turn than 225 on the river.

You call on the river chasing an open ended straight draw or a pair of As when theres a good chance that 3 of your outs are counterfeit.

Sorry for the flame, but I can't see anyway to justify this play. There are better ways of keeping someone honest than by giving them chips. Even if you did have him beat I would never make this play.

[schwza]

i dislike the turn call and hate the river call. one reason the turn call is bad is that you don't have 9 outs - you have 9 possible outs, but more likely you have 6 outs (if villain holds a heart), and maybe 0.

on the river, you might be paying off his "bluff" with 33/AJ/AT/etc. blocking bets are not "monster or air." they're often something like A8 that want to get to a cheap showdown and want to squeeze a little value out.

I bet 3/4 on the flop. I raise the turn. I think I'm with you on the call on the river, but it's more marginal. Doing either of the other two plays gives you more information and avoids this situation.

[SonnyJay]

Just because he'll bet a lot doesn't mean that he never has something. I too much prefer a turn raise to calling the turn and calling the river. As others have pointed out, his "bluff" can very well be beating you.

Personally, I would've cbet the flop. He's probably scared of it too, and it makes the rest of the hand a little easier to play.

The way the hand played out I can't imagine calling the river. You can't simply assume
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His turn bet was a function of my flop check.

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and justify it to call down almost a quarter of your stack. I just don't see the reward outweighing the risk.

-SonnyJay