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Old 12-22-2005, 01:29 PM
sng-sam sng-sam is offline
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Default Negraneau call\'s a value bet with King High?????

Please forgive me for not having the exact details of this hand. If someone else can give them that would be great. It was the WPT Episode from last night Borgata. Heads up action.

Preflop raise by daniel on the button. Call by williams

Flop J8x

Williams bets 1/2 pot (ish) with a pair of Jacks
Negraneau calls with K2 no pair no draw

Turn RagSpade

Willams fires
Negraneau calls with Flush draw

River: Red Jack

Williams fire 200k into a 900kish pot
Danny thinks thinks thinks and calls?!?! with King High

He did this earlier with Ace high stating that he wanted to see what David Had. I understood that because it was a much smaller amount and a fishier situation. Here I don't get it. A clear value bet and he calls anyway.

So enlighten me what am I missing?

Straight Flushes,

SAM
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Old 12-22-2005, 01:49 PM
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Old 12-22-2005, 01:58 PM
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Default Re: Negraneau call\'s a value bet with King High?????

That was a great episode.
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Old 12-22-2005, 02:16 PM
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Default Re: Negraneau call\'s a value bet with King High?????

IIRC, Daniel was calling more for information than anything else.
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Old 12-22-2005, 03:19 PM
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Default Re: Negraneau call\'s a value bet with King High?????

From what was televised I thought Daniel played very erratically heads up, as though he'd lost focus. Then the deck hit him.
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Old 12-22-2005, 03:42 PM
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Default Re: Negraneau call\'s a value bet with King High?????

This is heads up. Obviously, he thought Williams was bluffing and high high was good. When you play aggressively, sometimes you get more action.
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Old 12-22-2005, 03:58 PM
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Default Re: Negraneau call\'s a value bet with King High?????

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That was a great episode.

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Yeh, the heads up match between Negreanu and Williams was awesome.
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Old 12-22-2005, 04:02 PM
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Default Re: Negraneau call\'s a value bet with King High?????

I can think of several reasons why you might want to call in such spots. First, you'd gain potentially useful information about your opponent's betting habits. Second, in heads up play Ace or King high might actually be the best hand -- especially considering that David may well be bluffing. Third, if you do call with hands like Ace or King high, you might deter your opponent from bluffing in future hands (since you've established a willingness to look him up with relatively weak holdings). Fourth, you may have picked up a possible tell on your opponent, and you'd need to see his or her hole cards to verify it.

Also, one thing to keep in mind is that (especially) in heads up play, you have to look at the hands context. If you study a single hand in isolation, the play may make little sense -- but it might be appropriate given all the hands that have been played and, perhaps, how you might be setting your opponents up in future hands. Even though the play on a single hand in isolation may be 'sub-optimal' it may lead to better overall results for the entire session.

Also, you're only seeing a small fraction of the hands anyway, which makes it all the more difficult to figure out what the players might have been thinking.
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:35 PM
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What about the slowroll at the end? I like Daniel, but I thought that was uncool. "What? What did you say? You're all in? Ummmmm, (stands up), ummmmm, I call."
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:38 PM
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Yeah, and Williams called him on it. Awkward.
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