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Old 11-16-2005, 06:24 PM
KenProspero KenProspero is offline
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In some cardrooms, exposing one card entitles the players at the table to see both. As I understand it, its an anti-taunting rule.

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Some cardrooms have an anti-taunting rule? Sheesh, are we playing poker or having a tea party. As long as it doesn't get out of hand, isn't a little trash talking in the longstanding position of poker.

On the rule in general:

The only thing I've ever seen that was definitive and non-appealable is the Poker SNG machines that they have in Hard Rock Ft Lauderdale (SnG's with 10 live players, but an automated dealer). When you win a hand uncontested, the machine specifically asks whether you want to show ONE or BOTH cards.

I'm not claiming that this is THE rule, after all it's just a frickin machine, but it is THE rule in this limited circumstance.
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Old 11-16-2005, 06:44 PM
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Here is a radical idea, don't be a tool. Show the hand or muck the hand. Only an ass shows one card.

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You are so wrong here it's not even funny. This is done all the time at mid and high limits B&M and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it.

GoT

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Thanks GoT. I was beginning to wonder if I had slipped into a parallel universe.
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Old 11-16-2005, 07:37 PM
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AKQJ10 reaches into the middle of the table, pulls the pot to him, and starts stacking.


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The dealer pushes the pot to you. You never reach out and drag the pot in a casino. If you want to see a dealer get excited, just reach out and try to drag that pot.
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Old 11-16-2005, 07:40 PM
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If you want to show your hand then it is perfectly okay and if you don't want to show your hand that is okay also. There is not one single good reason to show one card unless you are trying to upset the other player.

Showing one card in not respectful.
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Old 11-16-2005, 07:51 PM
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I make my decisions based upon pot odds, reads and other criteria and once I decide to fold, I don't care what the next card is or what you had in your hand. It is a mistake to give me more information and showing one card is a tell. It tells me one of two things and I will watch your play and decide which one is accurate. Either you are watching way to much poker on TV and are not as good a player as you think or you are trying in influence my future decisions.

I will not view it as a sign of respect. If you want to show respect, show both cards.

By your own admission, you played A6 and wanted to make him think you had a stronger hand than you actually did and got upset when your junk hand was exposed. There is nothing respectful about that.

Yes, that guy was out of line by touching your cards but don't piss on my leg and try to tell me it is raining. You were not showing respect, you were trying to make him think you had a very strong hand.
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Old 11-16-2005, 07:57 PM
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There is not one single good reason to show one card unless you are trying to upset the other player.

Showing one card in not respectful.

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You are just wrong.

I appreciate any information a player gives me -- whether he shows his bluff or the nuts, one card or two. I am never upset by another player showing a card -- even if its the card that makes you think he is bluffing.

Similarly, I will sometimes show my Ace (and only my Ace) when someone folds to me on an Ace high board. It makes the other player happy. Generally, happy players are looser than unhappy players.

This is in no way disrespectful, unethical, immoral or a breach of poker etiquette.

I don't think you are a tool -- but you are definately wrong.
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Old 11-16-2005, 08:12 PM
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The dealer pushes the pot to you. You never reach out and drag the pot in a casino. If you want to see a dealer get excited, just reach out and try to drag that pot.

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Good! You got half my point. Perhaps I need to write more clearly so that everyone gets the other half.

I've never tried pulling the pot myself, but my intuition is that you're correct, that this would be a Very Bad Thing. Similarly, i'm entitled to see mucked cards in certain circumstances -- e.g., show one show all (players, not show both cards). But reaching in and looking on my own is also a Very Bad Thing.

The dealer in the OP's game thought players pulling out mucked cards was no big deal. That dealer is poor at his or her job. I was writing in response to a post saying the dealer did the right thing, but that post I was replying to was wrong. The dealer did not do the right thing. The right thing is to point out this violation of rules and etiquette so that the offender can never again claim ignorance at that room.

Hence my (failed) attempt at an analogy, replete with confusing rhetorical questions to obfuscate as much as possible. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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Old 11-16-2005, 08:41 PM
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If you want to show your hand then it is perfectly okay and if you don't want to show your hand that is okay also. There is not one single good reason to show one card unless you are trying to upset the other player.

Showing one card in not respectful.

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I fail to see how showing an opponent that he made a good fold is ever disrespectful.
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Old 11-16-2005, 09:26 PM
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Showing one card is very common and it is generally seen as a courtesy. If I get you to fold Steamboat, and then show you top pair, and you took offense to it, I would really think you were just a cranky old fart looking for a problem. That said, I wouldnt lose any sleep either if you saw my other card. It's virtually irrelavant. I had the winner, you folded, I let you know it was a good fold. Sure, there are ulterior motives, such as setting up a bluff later on, but that is not the same as taunting. Taunting in this case, would be if I showed you just the six and kept the ace concealed.
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Old 11-16-2005, 09:35 PM
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If I get you to fold Steamboat, and then show you top pair, and you took offense to it, I would really think you were just a cranky old fart looking for a problem.

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And you would be right.

GoT
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