Curtains Hand #1

[Mr_J]

I think this one is kind of interesting.

Curtains raises a poor hand oop vs a 2+2er (if I remember right). What's his thinking here and what is he hoping to accomplish? Dicuss [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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UTG (t1325)
UTG+1 (t805)
MP1 (t880)
MP2 (t1320)
MP3 (t615)
CO (t970)
Button (t995)
Hero (t2125)
BB (t965)

Preflop: Hero is in SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]
<font color="gray">UTG folds</font>, <font color="gray">UTG+1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP1 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP2 folds</font>, <font color="gray">MP3 folds</font>, <font color="gray">CO folds</font>, <font color="gray">Button folds</font>, <font color="red">Hero raises t70</font>, BB calls t55

Flop: (t170) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets t60</font>, Hero calls t60

Turn: (t290) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB checks

River: (t290) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, <font color="red">BB bets t200</font>, Hero calls t200

[Marnixvdb]

he's playing poker

[Mr_J]

A little discussion would be nice...

[Marnixvdb]

Raising this in the first place is something I'd only do if I were playing few tables only. That said, this is how I read it: with his stack he can afford to invest some chips. He is raising to steal the blinds and from the flop onwards he plays it according to his hand strength, exercising good pot control, crusing towards cheap showdown, while getting most in vs. worse hands (through inducing bluffs).

Betting this hand (TPWK) on the flop doesnt accomplish much with deepish stacks. If he misses he should bet most flops to try and take the pot right there.

[zipppy]

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Betting this hand (TPWK) on the flop doesnt accomplish much with deepish stacks. If he misses he should bet most flops to try and take the pot right there.

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So if he gets top pair betting doesn't do him much good, but if he completely misses then he should bet?

[Marnixvdb]

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Betting this hand (TPWK) on the flop doesnt accomplish much with deepish stacks. If he misses he should bet most flops to try and take the pot right there.

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So if he gets top pair betting doesn't do him much good, but if he completely misses then he should bet?

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Betting narrows the range with which villain will continue tremendously. With these stacks, this is something you want to accomplish only if you are either very weak (bluff) or rather strong (value against the majority of his range). Since hero's hand is weakish but has some value, it's not a good idea to bet the flop and narrow villain's range down to something that crushes hero's range. The pot is not interesting enough relative to stacksize to semi-bluff at.

[Snarf]

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Betting this hand (TPWK) on the flop doesnt accomplish much with deepish stacks. If he misses he should bet most flops to try and take the pot right there.

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So if he gets top pair betting doesn't do him much good, but if he completely misses then he should bet?

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Thats my standard for the way I play...usually...

If I'm playing a supreme LAG (in my home games) I'll bet out either way 'cuz I will get very loose calls...but in ANY other case...

Check = hit
Bet = miss

Standard for me.

[sofere]

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he's playing poker

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not a good answer...we learn nothing from just writing this off as "playing poker". Every move should have a distinct reason for it. IOW if he thinks his 3rd pair no kicker is good there should be a specific explanation for that reasoning.

If villain was a 2+2er one would think that he'd be pretty tight this early in the game hence the PF steal attempt. Given that BB probably called with high cards or mid PP, the flop is okay, but not great. There's a good chance a c-bet will get picked off here as the flop looks to have missed hero's hand. The small flop bet by villain rules out an overpair. So a call isn't bad.

Check-check turn...sweet, free river card hopefully cheap showdown. I still have no clue what villain has aside from its not 99-AA.

River...check, bet 200. I don't really understand this call. I've been trying to reason it out. BB doesn't have a monster otherwise he wouldn't bet out so much. If he had a K, he probably would've bet the turn (although he might've been scared you had a whiffed AK and was trying to induce a bet). 50/50 that a jack bets out or just checks behind.

I think the only hand you beat here is air or A7, and I just don't see that happening often enough to justify a call.

[zipppy]

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he's playing poker

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The small flop bet by villain rules out an overpair. So a call isn't bad.

Check-check turn...sweet, free river card hopefully cheap showdown. I still have no clue what villain has aside from its not 99-AA.


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I don't see where you got these conclusions from. Do you think that villian is going to slow play an overpair such as 99?

Are you assuming that a villian is always going to reraise or fold a mid pair like that preflop to a raise that looks like a potential steal?

&gt;ZIP

[sofere]

No, I'm assuming he's gonna bet more than 1/3 pot with 99 (which I consider slow playing).