"never try to bluff a calling station"

[A_C_Slater]

I'd just like to add that I'm happy ESPN showed this hand. At least it generates some discussion and the whole show wasn't just all in elimination coinflips. Finally some postflop play.

No doubt there is far more interesting hands that occured than this that they don't show, but at least it had some inkling of content.

[blumpkin22]

Very good points, Greg. That was an excellent call with the sixes, and indeed, the way the hand was played, I think you had to call the river; it was either going to be a great call or appear to be a huge mistake if he had happened to have a bigger pair.

As for people deeming you a "calling station," I think part of the reason is that you are never afraid to get your money in when it is a probable coin-flip situation. Do you think sometimes you should fold the small/medium pairs when faced with an all-in reraise? Or have the pot odds always dictated a call in those spots, even discounting the likelihood that they have an overpair?

Do you make fewer risks like these earlier in tournaments but more often at final tables, when the blinds are escalating and you want to build a big stack to give you a chance winning the tournament?

Looking forward to seeing you at more final tables.

Cheers,
blumpkin

[BarronVangorToth]

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Why don't you read the rest of my post, Barron!


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I did ... I made a mistake when I went back up through the thread and quoted someone who made that comment (a few did before you).

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[RollaJ]

You should work on your attitude a bit, it wouldnt have been all too bad had you responded with something witty like [censored] off [censored] [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

[jhall23]

I thought this was kinda odd after seeing it, based on what someone claimed in this thread.

Devilish on cash game players


Perhaps it is just his doucheness coming out trying to tilt people or he had yet to play much with Raymer at that point.

[henrikrh]

If a callaing station wins the WSOP adn then comes 25th agaisnt teh biggest field in the history of poker, then you can find me down at your local casino doing the excact same thing. Devilfish is overrated, and one of the players that gets attention for their character (like Matasow, Hellmuth and Unabomber, though I'm not calling them overrated.) He's just mad that he got busted by an excellent call.

[Beavis68]

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I thought this was kinda odd after seeing it, based on what someone claimed in this thread.

Devilish on cash game players


Perhaps it is just his doucheness coming out trying to tilt people or he had yet to play much with Raymer at that point.

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There is nothing that frustrates aggressive players more than someone that lets them bet off all their chips without ever raising them.

Greg called him with pocket sixes, making Devil look like an idiot who just got owned.

[AaronO]

Maybe it's a fine line, but I think there is a difference between being a calling station and being a player that induces bluffs. In this case what happens if Greg raises the turn? If Devilfish comes back over the top, Greg has to fold. If Devilfish folds, he makes no more money, yet puts more chips at risk.

LAG's always berate me for being a calling station because I am content to let them do the betting figuring I have the best hand. I think sometimes the best way to play overagressive players is to become a calling station. I tend to lose less and make more than trying to out LAG them. Then again I play micro limits so my game is in no way, shape, or form the game these guys play.

[Greg (FossilMan)]

Fair enough.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

[Greg (FossilMan)]

In these spots, I simply try to judge the player's likely hands. Also, you have to give a weighted average to these things, as some players are more incined to slowplay AA for example. Thus, while their reraise might be AA, it is actually more likely to be 77 or some smaller pair, even though they are equally likely to be dealt each of these individual pairs preflop.

After estimating their weighted range of hands, I compare my equity against that range, and compare that equity to the pot odds. If I'm getting an overlay, I will almost certainly call. Sometimes, because of the tourney situation I'm in, I'll need more than a small overlay to call. I will almost never fold if I judge my overlay to be 15% or more.

Later, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)