All in with AQs from UTG+1 I get too much action. - Page 3

Malachii · #21 08-02-2005, 03:04 PM

Hey Derick,

I agree you should fold to the reraise preflop. There are a couple of reasons for doing so:

1.) Drawing to a flush OOP is difficult to do... you'll rarely be getting the kind of price you need to draw. Also, remember you'll hit exactly 3 more cards of your suit like ~5 or 6% of the time after all the cards are out. One of the things TJ Cloutier wrote in one of his books that I agree with is that you should treat being suited as a little added luxury... not something that should place a lot of emphasis on in deciding whether or not to call a reraise.

2.) You have bad reverse implied odds here. If he's reraising you with KK and an ace flops, you aren't going to win too much. Conversely, if he's reraising you here with KK and a Q flops, you'll probably be paying him off the whole way. At the same time, if he has AK and an ace flops, well, you're kind of in a mess then too, right?

#22 08-02-2005, 03:05 PM

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Hero had $21, which would be matched by min-reraiser. limp-folders would have put in 4.5 each. my rough 4.5 was just splitting the pot in half, but the actual number would be (21+21+4.5+4.5)*.48=24.38 and 24.38-21=3.48 net

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Thank you [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]

derick · #23 08-02-2005, 03:14 PM

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I'd be about 13% vs AA , 25% vs AKs and something between 30% to 35% for AK, KK, QQ.

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I agree...if this is your read, what the hell are you calling for? Hoping the flop comes Q-Q-Q?

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Hi LetYouDown,

I'm calling because it only cost $2 to see a $16 pot. Also remember there is dead money in the pot (I'm simplifying and considering the 80%VP$IP and 50%VP$IP to have almost random cards with little chance of winning)

I probably won't win but I'll win enough times to at least call.

I need to win over 13% of the time for 8 to 1 pot odds to make it +EV right?

So even if he has AA I'm still getting pot odds, right?

By the way, the table was unremarkable 23%VPIP 4%PFR.

swolfe · #24 08-02-2005, 03:35 PM

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results?

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derick · #25 08-02-2005, 03:56 PM

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Hello my 2+2 Mentors!

I'm not sure if my thinking is correct on this hand, please comment.

I've just moved up to the .25/.50 NL game from the .10/.25

I've been finding this table quite profitable. I've bought in for $10 I've just doubled up and then lost a little back.

Reads:VP$IP/PRF/AF

MP2 21.25/11.25/13
MP3 55.26/10.53/1.33
UTG 81.82/36.36/2

Hero 18.75/8.63/2.95

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (9 handed) converter

MP3 ($11.70)
CO ($51.05)
Button ($45.95)
SB ($44.50)
BB ($19.60)
UTG ($51.70)
Hero ($21.95)
MP1 ($19.50)
MP2 ($129.70)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, Hero raises to $2.5, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $4.5, MP3 calls $4.50, 4 folds, UTG calls $4, Hero calls $2.

Warning bells go off in my head when the MP2 reraises me!

But 2 other players calls so I call for two more dollars.

I'm thinking to myself, "My hand plays well multiplayer since I'm suited and I'm getting good pot odds, but I'm probably not the favorite to win ... Lets see the flop."

Flop: ($18.75) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG bets $5, 

UTG has shown down some really weak hands, I'd like to play heads up against him I see that MP2 (the re-raiser has a Went to SD of 15% so I see if I can push him off that hand. MP3 is kinda loose so I wouldn't mind if he stays in.

So I push all in...

Like it?

Hero raises to $17.45, MP2 raises to $107.75, MP3 calls $7.20 (All-In), UTG calls $42.20 (All-In).

I didn't want this much action.

Turn: ($198.35) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($198.35) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $198.35

comments.

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I don't have the exact hand history here but...

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MP3 had ATo

MP2 won with AK

Do you guys think AQs should be mucked in early position?
Would you raise with AQs from UTG+1 like I did to try to isolate a 80%VP$IP who limped in UTG??

Looking back I wonder if calling the preflop min raise was a good idea, I'm getting 8 to 1 pot odds vs about 3 to 1 to beat AK but it's really hard to play postflop (at least for me).

I'm also thinking my push on the flop may have been a big mistake with the MP2 (preflop reraiser) and MP3 still to act.

This hand seems to show me how little about the game I seem to understand.

derick

#26 08-02-2005, 04:05 PM

Your analysis about pot odds would be correct if the 2 dollars you were calling were your last 2 dollars - the reverse implied odds come into play in a situation like this where you flop an ace but are still behind and don't know it - you then put in 17 more dollars on the flop drawing very thin. If he had KK and you had in fact outflopped him I doubt he is paying off your push - thus your implied odds are much worse than your immediate odds since you are out of position and cannot see his hand

AaronO · #27 08-02-2005, 04:21 PM

How did MP2 win with AK? According to what you posted, MP 3 hit runner-runner 10's to make a boat.

#28 08-02-2005, 05:19 PM

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How did MP2 win with AK? According to what you posted, MP 3 hit runner-runner 10's to make a boat.

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MP3 only won about $45 of the pot, low stack

derick · #29 08-03-2005, 12:16 AM

Hi,

Thanks to everyone for your kind replies to my question,

I must admit I'm still a little unclear about the concepts of how to play ace-big out of position.

I just had this very similar hand show up....

I just tried .50/1.00 for the first time tonight!
I've more than doubled my $20 buy in about ten hands ago, by picking off a pure buff and making a continuation bet.

I've been at the table for about 25 hands... so far my VP$IP and My PFR are both 25% !!!! My total aggression factor has been 2.99

My Flop aggression has been 4.61

For the previous 25 or so hands I've been the table bully pushing people off small pots, stealing anties and doubling up by picking off a total bluff.
I didn't plan to play this aggressive, I just got hit with the deck pretty good to let me play like what looks like a bit of a maniac.
I've been doing continuation bluffs and robbing them blind, I haven't shown any real hands down. The table seems to be pretty passive and loose , 27% VP$IP and 4% PFR.

MP2 has shown down K5o, J9s, 93o, 23o
MP2 is 28.57 VP$IP / 5.71 PFR / .75 AF

My read on the BB is Loose passive having him in the pot is +ev.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $1.00 BB (8 handed) converter

BB ($12.60)
UTG ($15.35)
Hero derick ($49.20)
MP1 ($47.65)
MP2 ($30.70)
CO ($52.45)
Button ($29.10)
SB ($69.95)

Preflop: Hero derick is UTG+1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, Hero derick raises to $4, 1 fold, MP2 raises to $30.7, 3 folds, BB calls $11.60 (All-In), UTG folds, Hero derick calls $26.70.

Flop: ($75.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($75.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($75.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $75.50

Would you guys have made the call???

IggyWH · #30 08-03-2005, 12:37 AM

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I just tried .50/1.00 for the first time tonight!
I've more than doubled my $20 buy in about ten hands ago, by picking off a pure buff and making a continuation bet.

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It sounds like to me you have some serious bankroll management issues.

First you're too scared to buyin the max at a .25/.5 table and now you're playing .5/1? Good lord dude... you really need to settle down and get some bankroll management or else you're going to be dealing cards soon [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]