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09-19-2005, 11:28 PM
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$55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***
OK, I am not super-excited about the way I played this, but I think the villain played this poorly too. I obviously draw the nuts on the river, so we know I win, but... anyone care to guess what he's holding?
Advice/comments on all streets appreciated. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Button (t580) Hero (t1005) BB (t975) UTG (t985) UTG+1 (t1130) MP1 (t1130) MP2 (t2170) MP3 (t930) CO (t1095) Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. 1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t30, 4 folds</font>, Button calls t30, Hero completes, BB checks. Flop: (t120) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players) Hero bets t125, BB calls t125, UTG+1 folds, Button folds. Turn: (t370) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players) Hero checks, BB bets t200, Hero calls t200. River: (t770) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img](2 players) Hero checks, BB bets 300, Hero raises all-In t650, BB calls t320 Final Pot: t2000ish 
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#2
09-19-2005, 11:34 PM
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Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***
I usually will check call this and lead the turn for 1/2 - 2/3 of the pot depending on the card and assuming it's hu. Given how you played the flop I lead the turn because he checks behind with a bazillion hands, but may not believe you if you bet. I probably bet half pot though.
Villain could have so many hands, especially if he played it badly.
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#3
09-19-2005, 11:50 PM
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Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***
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I usually will check call this [/ QUOTE ] You check/call TP with a decent kicker? What about a CR instead? Edit: Keep in mind there are 3 villains on the flop. I don't want to give any free cards. Ergo, I think checking here is a mistake. My mistake was betting too much on the flop. (I think I should be more inclined to keeping the pot small, since I am OOP.)
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#4
09-19-2005, 11:58 PM
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Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***
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[ QUOTE ] I usually will check call this [/ QUOTE ] You check/call TP with a decent kicker? What about a CR instead? [/ QUOTE ] This is what we call "bloating the pot with a marginal hand." Well, it's what I call it anyways. I'm not sure if I've ever heard it elsewhere. I lead the flop for less than you did...I very rarely overbet the pot. So, like 90-100. I probably check/call the turn and I certainly lead that river. He'll be much more likely to call you with a T then he is to bet with it.
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#5
09-20-2005, 12:11 AM
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Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***
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I very rarely overbet the pot. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, this is a direct result of my laziness. I don't type my bets in, I just use the slider to get it as close to the pot as possible. (125 is one of the increments it stops at.) Lame, I know.
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#6
09-20-2005, 12:20 AM
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Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***
I haven't read any replies yet so I may edit this to say something completely different...
I like the play. BUT you have got to bet the river. He will check way too many times here. Also, unless he is a complete idiot he would not have bet the 200 on the turn when you opened the flop for 125...(EDIT...if he was holding a worse hand then yours [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img])
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#8
09-20-2005, 12:35 PM
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Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***
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[ QUOTE ] I usually will check call this [/ QUOTE ] You check/call TP with a decent kicker? What about a CR instead? Edit: Keep in mind there are 3 villains on the flop. I don't want to give any free cards. Ergo, I think checking here is a mistake. My mistake was betting too much on the flop. (I think I should be more inclined to keeping the pot small, since I am OOP.) [/ QUOTE ] Let me explain myself a little bit, although it has been touched on a bit by other posters. I'm check calling here for a number of reasons that essentially amount to trying to lose the minimum and win the maximum by getting solid information out of the chips you put in. By checking you get to send it around and see what everyone does. If a party breaks out you can peace. If you check call and someone check raises behind you, you can leave. The reason I don't check raise in this specific spot, is if there are one or two people left to act behind you. What cold calls there that you are worried about giving free cards too? KJ and J9 pretty much, with a few exceptions. While typically you would have liked to charge the draw, you were going to slow down if an A hit anyways and you can play cautiously if you think he was helped. Either way, him cold-calling behind you shouldn't happen very much. This is not a draw heavy board. By just check calling you can sniff our a check raise from behind you if that happens. Check calling almost always gets you hu and if the pot goes multi-way you are usually beat anyways (obviously exceptions, but you know how to play poker I don't need to tell you this). The main disadvantage of the c/r is the number of streets you will have left to play. If you c/r and are called (which in my opinion is done more than if you sng, for obvious reasons), you have two streets to navigate now. You can't really lead the turn if you c/r because of how big the pot will be. You'll have to completely tie yourself to the pot, and if all the money goes in here I don't think you come out with it alot. If you sng, you only have to check one street, and it becomes a much more manageable pot. When you lead the turn (note not this turn, I'm going broke on this turn now), but a blank turn, you can usually safely fold if raised. If you have tpgk and show as much strength as this stop n go and then get raised, you have to lay it down. This approach seems to let us get as much money in as we would like when ahead, and get away from our hand fairly easily when beat. I don't like leading because it has all the pros of the sng, but the additional con of putting in money when you have no information.
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#9
09-20-2005, 03:05 PM
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Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***
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Let me explain myself a little bit, although it has been touched on a bit by other posters.... [/ QUOTE ] Awesome post, thank you for taking the time to explain your rationale....
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#10
09-20-2005, 03:23 PM
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Re: $55 - QJd in the SB. *** POST FLOP CONTENT!!! ***
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Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Button (t580) Hero (t1005) BB (t975) UTG (t985) UTG+1 (t1130) MP1 (t1130) MP2 (t2170) MP3 (t930) CO (t1095) Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. 1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t30, 4 folds</font>, Button calls t30, Hero completes, BB checks. Flop: (t120) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players) Hero bets t125, BB calls t125, UTG+1 folds, Button folds. Turn: (t370) BLANK [/ QUOTE ] Ok, now if you lead out you are probably going to fold almost every hand you are ahead of. Several hands that are ahead of you will likely just call. You will probably get raised by some a number of hands that have you beat. If you check/call again, you may get a value bet or a bluff from some hands that you beat. Note: This isn't really the way I play it, I'm just playing devil's (I mean Unarmed's) advocate.
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