Two Plus Two Older Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Older Archives > Tournament Poker > One-table Tournaments
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-15-2005, 10:45 PM
vinyard vinyard is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 202
Default 4 handed, big stack playing properly, dealt AK

***** Hand History for Game 2542273441 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:14875806 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Monday, August 15, 22:32:05 EDT 2005
Table Table 15095 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: krAzyAnyway ( $1290 )
Seat 2: FrankieYale ( $4795 )
Seat 4: fredexley ( $1130 )
Seat 5: RamOnTilt ( $785 )
Trny:14875806 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to fredexley [ Ac Kd ]
>You have options at Table 15097 Table!.
krAzyAnyway folds.
FrankieYale is all-In [4795]
>You have options at Table 15259 Table!.
fredexley?

Villain had been diligently pushing his entire stack in whenever given the chance. CrAzy had just doubled through him with KK against QT. I have no problem calling here with Ak although maybe it isn't as trvial as I had thought . Does anybody want to suggest a "good" range for a call here?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-15-2005, 10:50 PM
fisherman112 fisherman112 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 0
Default Re: 4 handed, bitg stack playing properly, dealt AK

this seems like an extremely easy call to me. you're basically in a 3 way tie for last chip position and the big stack is exploiting that. you just said he pushed QT earlier. no chance you're behind and very likely you're ahead. your calling range here should be very wide. id say Ak-AT AA-88 autocalls, many other hands also worth considering.
you're going to have to double up eventually against him and the sooner you do it, the sooner you can start bullying the other two players.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-16-2005, 12:29 AM
Gusti Gusti is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Hamburg city
Posts: 19
Default Re: 4 handed, big stack playing properly, dealt AK

I was the big stack, did I manage not to finish ITM as usual when I go into bully mode?
Anyways, im obviously pushing a huge range here, still I think its a fold with AKo, very close though.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-16-2005, 12:32 AM
fisherman112 fisherman112 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 0
Default Re: 4 handed, big stack playing properly, dealt AK

[ QUOTE ]
Anyways, im obviously pushing a huge range here, still I think its a fold with AKo, very close though.

[/ QUOTE ]

how can you possibly reconcile those two statements?
it's a call and it isnt close.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-16-2005, 12:36 AM
TStokes TStokes is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 55
Default Re: 4 handed, big stack playing properly, dealt AK

agreed I think you have to call here there isnt anyone short enough to make this a fold
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-16-2005, 12:38 AM
Karak567 Karak567 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 16
Default Re: 4 handed, big stack playing properly, dealt AK

Clear call.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-16-2005, 12:41 AM
Shillx Shillx is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Frog and Peach Pub, Downtown SLO
Posts: 4,478
Default Re: 4 handed, big stack playing properly, dealt AK

This is a fold (by ICM) and a pretty clear one at that. If you were in the BB you would have to call, but not here since the short stack will be down to 585 if he folds. You could also call if the raiser had less chips (say 2500), but a loss wouldn't even faze him at this point and you can't vault yourself into the lead by winning this pot.

Brad
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-16-2005, 12:42 AM
Gusti Gusti is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Hamburg city
Posts: 19
Default Re: 4 handed, big stack playing properly, dealt AK

according to Eastbays programm a good range here is QQ+, im pretty sure its very wrong to call with 88 A10 etc here. Obviously at the 20s lots of people call with way worse hands than that, which makes me wonder if it should make my pushing range tighter? Or do I just have to live with it and be happy the times im in the BB in this situation and see somebody call?
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-16-2005, 12:45 AM
fisherman112 fisherman112 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 0
Default Re: 4 handed, big stack playing properly, dealt AK

didnt realize the bb was also the shortest of the 3, allow me to amend my hand range. 99+, AQ+.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-16-2005, 12:47 AM
fisherman112 fisherman112 is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 0
Default Re: 4 handed, big stack playing properly, dealt AK

folding this is playing for 3rd. dont do that. i cant believe im reading this many arguments for folding.

shillx, i saw in another post you said your roi on 22s was like 15%. it'd probably be a lot higher if you were making these calls.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:44 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.