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Old 04-17-2005, 09:02 PM
vinyard vinyard is offline
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Default KK hand. Looking for possible lines

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (9 handed) converter

MP3 (t1565)
CO (t915)
Button (t2120)
SB (t1285)
BB (t235)
UTG (t805)
UTG+1 (t1200)
MP1 (t975)
Hero (t900)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t30, UTG+1 calls t30, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t150</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Button calls t150, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls t120.

Flop: (t525) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, Button checks.

Turn: (t525) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets t200</font>, Hero folds, Button calls t200.

River: (t925) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, Button checks.

Final Pot: t925

Looking at the hand now, I should have taken a shot at the flop. Both players were loose and in a lot of pots so I concluded (wrongly) that one or the other of them must have an A. A 2/3 pot sized bet and a fold to a re-raise is superior. And suggestions would be greatly appreciated
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Old 04-17-2005, 09:19 PM
strelok strelok is offline
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Default Re: KK hand. Looking for possible lines

I think by not betting the flop you showed weakness. Bet the pot on the flop.
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Old 04-17-2005, 09:24 PM
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Default Re: KK hand. Looking for possible lines

I don't pretend to know what's right, but you are in a tough spot. In a cash game, or with a better stack, a 2/3 pot bet would be just fine. But here, that would be more than 40% of your stack, so the rule of thumb says to push. I don't know if I like that against two opponents.

Still, it doesn't seem right to concede the hand, which is what you did, in effect. Yuck! I hope somebody brings some wisdom to bear on this one. FWIW (not much), I would have played it the same as you.

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Old 04-17-2005, 09:27 PM
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Default Re: KK hand. Looking for possible lines

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I think by not betting the flop you showed weakness. Bet the pot on the flop.

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Hero has t750 and the pot is t525. Surely, all-in is a better choice, don't you think?

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Old 04-17-2005, 09:29 PM
Shilly Shilly is offline
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Default Re: KK hand. Looking for possible lines

Fine pre-flop.

I make a continuation bet of 1/2 pot on the flop. You can dump your hand if they raise and shut down if you get called. You're giving up too much here if you shut down on the flop against two opponents.
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Old 04-17-2005, 09:39 PM
strelok strelok is offline
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Default Re: KK hand. Looking for possible lines

I didn't add up the bets unfortunately, but if "bet the pot" is 40% of your remaining stack or more, than yeah push.
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Old 04-17-2005, 09:53 PM
Phil Van Sexton Phil Van Sexton is offline
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You could bet 200, but I dont think a check/fold is bad. A continuation bet is not mandatory.
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Old 04-17-2005, 10:04 PM
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Default Re: KK hand. Looking for possible lines

I'd check/fold. Two people called the raise PF. I'd be willing to assume an ace is out there. Maybe push if you thought AJ or worse might fold.
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