AQo- miss flop, c/r with on cold caller???

smokylosecannon · #1 10-20-2005, 03:09 PM

No solid read on villians. I got c/r on flop and one player cold called 2 bets. Without A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] or Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], my overcard out is questionable. I want to hear your opinion on my fold. What do you think? I should just call one more SB to see turn???

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Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, BB raises, UTG+1 calls, Hero folds.

brettbrettr · #2 10-20-2005, 03:14 PM

I call one more all the time. Every time.

hobbsmann · #3 10-20-2005, 03:15 PM

I think you can peel and fold the turn UI getting over 12 to 1 on your call.

flair1239 · #4 10-20-2005, 03:18 PM

I don't mind the fold.

Although getting 11-1 it is tempting to peel. But I think folding is probably best, as when you hit an A or Q you could end up paying off 2-3 BB. I looked hard and could come up with 3 outs and I don't even know about that.

So with no reads, I think the fold is good, or at least very difficult to argue against.

flair1239 · #5 10-20-2005, 03:20 PM

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I call one more all the time. Every time.

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What are you thinking in terms of outs at this point.

The upper limit to me seems to be 7, which would be more than enough. But I think we need to do some serious depreciation here.

brettbrettr · #6 10-20-2005, 03:29 PM

Yeah, everything looks dirty. Where'd you get 7?

SeaEagle · #7 10-20-2005, 03:29 PM

With virtually no backdoor draws and an opponent calling 2 cold (likely flush draw on this board), I don't think you have the 4 discounted outs needed to call this.

flair1239 · #8 10-20-2005, 03:33 PM

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Yeah, everything looks dirty. Where'd you get 7?

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Assuming everything is clean. The A, Q, and BDSD. I figured 7 as a max.

but in reality I think it is more like 2.5.

That's why I am liking the fold.

SeaEagle · #9 10-20-2005, 03:47 PM

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Assuming everything is clean. The A, Q, and BDSD. I figured 7 as a max.

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All BDSDs are not created equal. A BDSD where you need two specific cards to fill the straight is only worth about 1/3 of an out.

brettbrettr · #10 10-20-2005, 03:49 PM

Yeah, I think I migh have been too quick to call here. C/r'ing the field makes me thing that one pair ain't enough here a lot of the time too.