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Protected Pot Bluff
UTG is DeathDonkey
Button is a solid LAGTAG Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (4 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG calls, Button calls. Flop: (13 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, UTG checks, Button checks. Turn: (6.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>. Final Pot: 10.50 BB on one hand, he shouldn't expect me to try to checkraise twice with a big hand, but on the other, he still has a good player behind him. |
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Re: Protected Pot Bluff
Doesn't make much sense to me as a bluff. I think you probably have the best hand here anyway or DD would have bet the flop. Speaking of which why didn't you bet the flop yourself? If you don't think you are decently likely to have the best hand on this flop then why cap pf instead of fold? I like pf but think you should bet the flop as you have the best hand often.
After the flop is checked through I'd also bet the turn. I see no evidence at all that your hand isn't best. If raised I'd almost want to 3-bet since a free SD raise would be so likely. In fact bet/3-bet is probably correct (assuming it's HU). |
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Re: Protected Pot Bluff
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Doesn't make much sense to me as a bluff. [/ QUOTE ] 100% agree, why play a strong hand like this against 2 preflopraisers? [ QUOTE ] why didn't you bet the flop yourself? If you don't think you are decently likely to have the best hand on this flop then why cap pf instead of fold? [/ QUOTE ] 100% agree, why give freecards to KQ, KT and such? [ QUOTE ] After the flop is checked through I'd also bet the turn. [/ QUOTE ] 100% agree, why give freecard a second time? Of course its playerdependent and I havent played enough 30/60 to tell whats normal but since pot is now so big and since turncheckraise really doesnt make sense as a strong hand (If our Hero is prepared to play a strong hand like this I guess he is also prepared to play a weak hand like this, thats what I would think, trickiness normally goes both ways), will not any pocketpair, AK and AQ call down? Maybe AQ will fold, but it sure is an expensive way to find out. |
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Re: Protected Pot Bluff
wow, is it opposite day?
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Re: Protected Pot Bluff
Funny, I just finished reading Gonores article on this concept on checkraised.com.
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Re: Protected Pot Bluff
I know you like to check these flops, but I think you should bet this one against good opponents because you put the squeeze on deathdonkey and you can fold a lot of live overcard hands from both players.
On the turn you're not representing anything. No good palyer would check a big or even decent made hand on this flop ever. |
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Re: Protected Pot Bluff
Does everyone play this hand in Josh's position? I think its a fold preflop.
-DeathDonkey |
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Re: Protected Pot Bluff
i am positive that this is a preflop fold.
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Re: Protected Pot Bluff
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i am positive that this is a preflop fold. [/ QUOTE ] that's a definite possibility but this is 4 handed after all |
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Re: Protected Pot Bluff
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i am positive that this is a preflop fold. [/ QUOTE ] Don't know how accurate my ranges are for the specific situation but I give DD a similar range to what I could have and the "lag tag" what I estimate as the typical range of a 35/25. equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 31.2193 % 29.59% 01.63% { 44+, A2s+, K6s+, Q8s+, J8s+, T8s+, 97s+, 87s, 76s, 65s, A7o+, K9o+, Q9o+, JTo } Hand 2: 33.2405 % 31.12% 02.12% { 44+, A2s+, K9s+, Q9s+, JTs, A8o+, KTo+, QTo+ } Hand 3: 35.5402 % 32.79% 02.75% { AJo } |
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