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Big non-nut draw on Turn with plenty behind
Villian in this hand is pretty loose pre-flop and seems more on the passive side post flop but don't have much of a bead on his play yet as he's only been around for 3 orbits. He got his stack recently by getting 1/2 his stack in PF with AAxx and having it hold up.
How do you like to approach this turn spot? PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha High, $1.00 BB (8 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx MP1 ($20.10) MP2 ($28.70) Hero ($160.75) Button ($174.90) SB ($55.70) BB ($79.10) UTG ($114.40) UTG+1 ($56.15) Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, Button calls $4, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls $3. Flop: ($13.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, Button calls $10, MP2 folds. Turn: ($33.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> |
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Re: Big non-nut draw on Turn with plenty behind
Insta - pot it.
He may fold a K high draw, two pair, or an overpair here. If he has something goot you probably have half the deck as outs. And you can't check call, cause then you have to hit to win. On a blank river if he calls I still bet 1/2 - 2/3 the pot. And I check call any flush I make. Don't be afraid to make a move. He still has plenty behind, too. Let him be afraid. |
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Re: Big non-nut draw on Turn with plenty behind
I agree check/calling sucks. Leaves me in an akward spot if I do hit a flush anyway and has no chance to win the pot right away.
I was basically contemplating Potting it or checking with the intent of putting in a check/raise if he bets. If I pot and he raises are you content to just push it in? Probably no fold equity after he raises but I think the overlay is probably there to push. Or since the fold equity is probably nill is this one of the spots to just call and then release the last 30-40 dollars if we wiff the river completly. How about going for a check/raise? Obviously I have to call if he pushes, but if he checks behind you like check/calling the flushes still on the river? |
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Re: Big non-nut draw on Turn with plenty behind
Yeah, if he comes over the top you should call all in I think. In most cases you will be tossing a coin, in some you will be statistically ahead, in some you will be drawing on about 18% equity. The average scenario here should provide the odds you will need at that point.
Absolutely don't check raise. I would rather check fold. You lose all fold equity by doing that and are basically just looking to flip a coin for stacks. By potting it you have the 10-30% of times that he folds going for you as well. |
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Re: Big non-nut draw on Turn with plenty behind
I say check here because we need more info . What we know is this He thinks big pairs are just as valuable as they are in holdem and will prob call you with one which makes him a 66% fave here, He DOES NOT have a set because he didn't raise you after the flop(he prob has an overpair), His options are check behind you which gives you a free chance to try to catch one of your 18 cards on the river or he could bet which at most could be the pot, if he does that you have 2 to 1 on your money which is what you need to justify a call here. I check/call which I know seems kind of passive here, but you have Q high here and a guy too stupid to fold.
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Re: Big non-nut draw on Turn with plenty behind
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... He thinks big pairs are just as valuable as they are in holdem and will prob call you with one which makes him a 66% fave here... to catch one of your 18 cards ...and a guy too stupid to fold. [/ QUOTE ] Where are you getting this stuff from. As usual, Tilt is right on. The OP wants to win this hand as soon as possible. |
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Re: Big non-nut draw on Turn with plenty behind
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Insta - pot it. He may fold a K high draw, two pair, or an overpair here. If he has something goot you probably have half the deck as outs. And you can't check call, cause then you have to hit to win. On a blank river if he calls I still bet 1/2 - 2/3 the pot. And I check call any flush I make. Don't be afraid to make a move. He still has plenty behind, too. Let him be afraid. [/ QUOTE ] I really like this analysis. |
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