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Old 10-08-2005, 05:53 AM
jason_t jason_t is offline
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Default 100/200 hand

sLAG opens UTG+2 and Hero 3-bets from MP2. It's folded to villain who calls.

Flop: A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
Villain checks, Hero checks.

Turn: 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Villain bets, Hero calls.

River: 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]
Villain bets, Hero calls.

What does Hero have? Why did he play the hand this way?
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Old 10-08-2005, 06:03 AM
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My best guess would be KK scared of getting CR'd on the flop.
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Old 10-08-2005, 06:05 AM
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Fordet it, I don't have a clue.
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Old 10-08-2005, 06:07 AM
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IMy guess is you have AK and want to induce action from a worse ace, or an underpair.

[/ QUOTE ]prob not a good guess.
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Old 10-08-2005, 06:10 AM
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IMy guess is you have AK and want to induce action from a worse ace, or an underpair.

[/ QUOTE ]prob not a good guess.

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Yeah, right after I posted I realized that was pretty bad idea.
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Old 10-08-2005, 06:12 AM
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I'll go with KK too. Afraid of ace, but can't fold to a LAG.

My second choice is KQ suited (no flush draw), calling it down because you think he might be trying to push you out with a pocket pair or spade flush draw (bluffing at the river when he comes up short), but fearing the ace and hearts.
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Old 10-08-2005, 06:19 AM
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Default Re: 100/200 hand

hero prob had KK... because no overcards can come to his pair and he will never be folding, his play is ok, but there are some problems with this line...
what if the other guy had 88 this hand... you just checked him into the winner... he prob wont give you action UI, no matter how many times you check, so you are supplying infinite odds without an upside. basically, ppl will play there hand perfectly against (if they are not stupid).. they know you arent folding.
ex. hand from yesterday.
party 100/200
LAG player OR CO, i 3bet KJ in the SB, he caps (uh oh).
flop A97
checkcheck
turn 8
checkcheck
river T
bet call
he had KK... n1.
another problem is that you are giving up value from a Q or gutshot that wouldve called.
also this is just bad for metagame reasons. you always want to have some kind of balance, but checking this flop HU in pos shouldnt be something you do often against typical players... it doesnt make sense.
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Old 10-08-2005, 06:20 AM
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Looks like KK trying to get the maximum from a Q, and lose the minimum to an A. Still, unless the villain is prone to checkraising I'm probably betting the flop with KK.
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Old 10-08-2005, 06:22 AM
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also this is just bad for metagame reasons. you always want to have some kind of balance, but checking this flop HU in pos shouldnt be something you do often against typical players... it doesnt make sense.

[/ QUOTE ]in case this is not clear...
you dont want to start checking here with KK/JJ/JTs/whatever because then you will have to start checking AA/QQ/AK/AQ sometimes for balance... this of course will kill your action when/if you raise the turn and is clearly not best for max value.
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Old 10-08-2005, 06:24 AM
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. unless the villain is prone to checkraising

[/ QUOTE ]in an online 1/2, thats like saying unless the opponent is prone to breathing.
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