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Old 12-22-2005, 06:04 PM
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Default Weak-tight KK line?

Party 2/4, villain is unknown, new to the table.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Preflop: Hero is UTG with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $2.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (7 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 6.50 BB
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Old 12-22-2005, 06:11 PM
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Default Re: Weak-tight KK line?

The pot is small so I'm ok with folding the turn. Without reads I play it just the same.
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Old 12-22-2005, 06:19 PM
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Default Re: Weak-tight KK line?

i just fold to the flop c/r without a read.
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Old 12-22-2005, 06:20 PM
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Default Re: Weak-tight KK line?

Not having reads means this is expensive to take to showdown. I doubt he's c/ring with a lone 7, and there's no reason to see a turn. Might as well fold now.
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Old 12-22-2005, 06:22 PM
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Default Re: Weak-tight KK line?

why do you think BB is c/raising the flop?
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Old 12-22-2005, 06:38 PM
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Default Re: Weak-tight KK line?

I think it looks good to me.
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Old 12-22-2005, 06:39 PM
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Default Re: Weak-tight KK line?

What's our rationale for seeing a turn, and then folding? I'm not saying it's wrong, but we need an argument for it.
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Old 12-22-2005, 06:52 PM
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Default Re: Weak-tight KK line?

Calling this flop is wasting .5 bb IMO. If you think you have the best hand and/or he's on a bluff, 3-bet. Otherwise just fold the flop. Peeling for a K is a huge waste of money.
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Old 12-22-2005, 07:15 PM
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Default Re: Weak-tight KK line?

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What's our rationale for seeing a turn, and then folding? I'm not saying it's wrong, but we need an argument for it.

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Well, I guess my rationale in this case was that I sometimes choose to call 1 sb back to me for metagame purposes. If I'm new to a game or I've folded a couple of hands to aggression, then I don't really want some of the brighter players to think they can always push me out/around. I'll have to do some PT review and see if I'm leaking too much here. My guess is I'm sometimes choosing the wrong time to peel 1 off for 1 more SB.

Would like to see a bit bigger pot and I guess a BDFD/BDSD so I'm not drawing to just 2 outs. So on a second review, folding on the flop to the c/r makes the most sense in this case, can't see that he'd c/r without at least an Ace.
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Old 12-22-2005, 08:38 PM
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Default Re: Weak-tight KK line?

In the Party 2/4, I would say there's at least a 50% chance he has two clubs.
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