Call this?

[kurto]

Table Table 66590 (Real Money) -- Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: MAC0308 ( $19.75)
Seat 2: CaliPrncess ( $19.75)
Seat 3: UdaaMan ( $24.75)
Seat 4: Kurtovski ( $75.33)
Seat 5: Dreds2c ( $2.05)
Seat 6: p2shan ( $25)
Seat 7: ajpmd ( $22)
Seat 8: GraceSA ( $20.95)
Seat 9: icats ( $20.13)
GraceSA posts small blind (0.10)
CaliPrncess posts big blind (0.25)
p2shan posts big blind (0.25)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Kurtovski [ 9s, Kd, Qh, Jh ]
UdaaMan calls (0.25)
Kurtovski calls (0.25)
p2shan checks.
ajpmd calls (0.25)
GraceSA calls (0.15)
CaliPrncess checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 8d, Td, Ks ]
GraceSA bets (1)
CaliPrncess calls (1)
UdaaMan folds.
Kurtovski calls (1)
p2shan folds.
ajpmd raises (6.45) to 6.45
GraceSA raises (19.70) to 20.70

Based on watching the player for a while, I firmly put Grace on a set. Do I call this? And does it change if there aren't 2 diamonds on the board?

[kurto]

Beuller?

[xorbie]

I'm too lazy to run the numbers, but I'm pretty sure that if the set has no FD to go with it, you are a pretty big favorite considering whoever raised might have a set, two pair or something and you have one out (the K).

However, if someone has a NFD and comes along, a lot of your outs are gone, but I still think it's not -EV by much to call here.

[steamboatin]

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Dealt to Kurtovski [ 9s, Kd, Qh, Jh ]

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I am completely clueless so don't take this the wrong way but is this a playable hand in middle posistion?

The bottom end of a straight probably isn't worth much especially with a flush draw on the board.

I am only making this post to see if I am thinkng right about Omaha.

[kurto]

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I am completely clueless so don't take this the wrong way but is this a playable hand in middle posistion?


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I am one of the newer Omaha players here, so take what I say with a grain of salt.

I might hesitate to play this hand in early or mid position at an aggressive table or a table where I didn't think I knew what to expect from the players. At this table, for instance, if there wasn't a 'made hand' on the board, there was never a 3bet post flop unless someone had a set.

There were no LAGS (or for that matter any TAGS) I felt comfortable playing any reasonable hand from most positions. At this table, this was the first time there had been this much action on the flop in perhaps an hour.

I think this hand is easy to play so I like it... 2 low cards on the flop and I'm out. If the flop is all high cards, I have a powerful hand with major scoop potential.

The more experienced players may tell me (correctly) that this is foolish. But I think of it like limping with 78s in NLTHE at a passive table in mp... if the table is passive, it allows you to play a broader range of hands out of position because you can almost always see a cheap flop.

[DyessMan89]

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Dealt to Kurtovski [ 9s, Kd, Qh, Jh ]

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I am completely clueless so don't take this the wrong way but is this a playable hand in middle posistion?

The bottom end of a straight probably isn't worth much especially with a flush draw on the board.

I am only making this post to see if I am thinkng right about Omaha.

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Its extremley borderline, esecially from MP. I wouldnt have played it, but a lot of others find profit in this hand.

[Webster]

I would not have played that hand - however - also being rather new I see lots of bad things with this hand - I see yuo getting beat by a better straight and then there is that flush.

The GOOD news is there is no low hand. I owuld call but then again - these are the hands I get sucked into and lose.

Grinderswarehouse - NOT just another BLOG

[steamboatin]

thanks, I really appreciate the feedback.

[Wintermute]

IMO, this is a fine hand to play. I would also call the sh!t out of that flop action (wouldn't raise so that the middle player won't decide to fold), if you can get all-in or committed all-in with two opponents I think that'd be ideal--with luck they've got set over set or set vs. two pair and are therefore holding a few of each other's boat outs. Meanwhile, you have 10 outs with two cards to come, tossing out the flush outs. Only real danger here is a broadway wrap with diamonds, that'd kill you.

It's a high variance play to be sure, but I'd make it.

Also, if there weren't two diamonds on the board, it's an absolute no brainer... the difference is night and day. for example:

Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 820 enumerated boards containing Ks Td 8d
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
9s Kd Qh Jh 233 233 587 0 0 0 0 0.284
Kc Ad 9d Kh 587 587 233 0 0 0 0 0.716

Omaha Hi/Low 8-or-better: 820 enumerated boards containing Ks 8d Th
cards scoop HIwin HIlos HItie LOwin LOlos LOtie EV
9s Kd Qh Jh 374 374 446 0 0 0 0 0.456
Kc Ad 9d Kh 446 446 374 0 0 0 0 0.544

[Scotty O]

I would dump. He could be free rolling with a diamond draw as well.