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Old 03-05-2005, 08:30 AM
octaveshift octaveshift is offline
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Default How is my laydown here?

Felt good about letting this go preflop, but wondering if I have become tighter than a gnat's ass....

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t30 (6 handed)

CO (t1110)
Hero (t3020)
SB (t650)
BB (t1410)
UTG (t395)
MP (t1415)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls t30, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t100</font>, Hero lets it go like a weak/tight Nancy, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP calls t70.

Flop: (t245) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP bets t30</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t125</font>, MP folds.

Final Pot: t400
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Old 03-05-2005, 03:08 PM
jrm jrm is offline
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Default Re: How is my laydown here?

I think this laydown is horrible. You've got a big chip lead and only have to call about 3% of your stack.

The implied odds are great. In addition to the raiser, you've got an early limper and the blinds that could easily call to make a big multi-way pot.

If you call and hit your set, you could easily bust one more player and take an even more commanding lead.
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Old 03-05-2005, 03:13 PM
elonkra elonkra is offline
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Default Re: How is my laydown here?

I'm not sure how you could possibly justify folding this hand. You've got position, chips, a hand that can only be beaten by four others, set value, and you're gonna fold it to the first normal-sized preflop bet? Think about the unbelievably wide range of hands the CO pot-enterer could have.
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Old 03-05-2005, 03:16 PM
elonkra elonkra is offline
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Default Re: How is my laydown here?

I might even push.
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Old 03-05-2005, 03:18 PM
elonkra elonkra is offline
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Default Re: How is my laydown here?

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I might even push.

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Ok, scratch that.
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Old 03-05-2005, 03:32 PM
Phil Van Sexton Phil Van Sexton is offline
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Default Re: How is my laydown here?

I push. There's no way I'm going to let these people see the flop with Ax, Kx, QJ without putting in their stacks.

His weak raise on the flop makes AK the most likely hand, but that's not important.

What's the point of a big stack if you aren't going to use it?
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Old 03-05-2005, 03:36 PM
elonkra elonkra is offline
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Default Re: How is my laydown here?

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I push. There's no way I'm going to let these people see the flop with Ax, Kx, QJ without putting in their stacks.

His weak raise on the flop makes AK the most likely hand, but that's not important.

What's the point of a big stack if you aren't going to use it?

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I agree that AK-Ax is likely here, but humor me, if you will: Why do you call it a "weak" raise? I guess what I'm saying is, that's about what I'd raise with AA or AJ, and is that a problem?
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Old 03-05-2005, 03:51 PM
Phil Van Sexton Phil Van Sexton is offline
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Default Re: How is my laydown here?

I was talking about his raise on the flop. He raised to 125 in a 275 pot. The bettor only has to call 95 more with a 400 pot. Weak.
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Old 03-05-2005, 09:00 PM
octaveshift octaveshift is offline
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Default Re: How is my laydown here?

So even with blinds at T30, I should have gone to war?

Seems I have taken this tight/early thing too seriously.
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Old 03-05-2005, 11:54 PM
octaveshift octaveshift is offline
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Default Re: How is my laydown here?

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I push. There's no way I'm going to let these people see the flop with Ax, Kx, QJ without putting in their stacks.

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Well, this being party, if I push here, I would expect KQ+ to call me.

TT = 56% favorite vs. AK
TT = 56% favorite vs. AQ
TT = 56% favorite vs. AJ
TT = 56% favorite vs. KQ

(Any two unpaired, unsuited, overcards are 44% to win. Make them suited and it increases to 47%)

Why would I want to push with what essentially amounts to a coinflip? I am not sure the risk from pushing here is worth the reward.

Maybe I'm fishy, but If I were to replay this, I'd call to see the flop, and probably let it go if an A,K,Q, or J shows up and the raiser speaks up.
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