Who the [censored] is John Bond?

[JohnBond]

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This link doesn't lead to any post. Please check it or something. I'd like to know more about the book especially from one of the writers. That's pretty cool.

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I don't know, but his name is on the cover of Cooke's book, and that's a damn good book.

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real poker II is a very good book, i highly recommend it.

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See this post on the Books forum for more info on this book.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...14&fpart=1

Best,

jb

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Hi Horse:

Our moderator deleted this post. It violated our rules on advertising in the posts.

Best wishes,
Mason

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LOL

The post answered a question that had been posited numerous times on 2+2 about the difference between Roy's two books, because there is some overlap of content.

Roy's two OUT OF PRINT books, which you can only get second hand or get remainderd seconds from ConJelCo.

Pretty hard to advertise stuff you can't buy (although RPII will be re-released in a second edition in the fall.)

I have written before that Roy and Mason once had a falling out. Although I can't look into Mason's mind (and I wouldn't want to -- definitely the stuff of horror movies) I'd guess his dislike of RC probably had more to do with the removal than 2+2 policy.

But it is Mason's board and he is certainly free to remove whatever he wishes for whatever reasons he wishes. He doesnt' need to justify himself, and is probably better off if he doesn't try, beceause he makes some pretty tortured convultions of logic when he does.

You can find the post at www.rpgpoker.com. Just do a search for Roy Cooke and it will come up in the past few days.

Decide for yourself if its content is advertising.

Best,

jb

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I'm sorry I gave a bad link for rpg. The correct one is: http://www.recpoker.com/groups.php

Best,

jb

[JohnBond]

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Our moderator deleted this post. It violated our rules on advertising in the posts.

Best wishes,
Mason

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Respectfully, that was a poor decision by your moderator and I urge you/him/her to reconsider. I read the post before it was deleted and it simply explained the difference between RP I and RP II (a very common question, BTW) and noted that RC will be coming out with two more books in the near future. It was not a solicitation in any sense of the word. If the upcoming book announcement was considered "too commercial" for posting here, the wiser course of action would have been to delete that section only.

I'll give everyone the benefit the doubt and assume that the post was deleted in an overzealous attempt to protect us from SPAM (a goal I support) rather than as a result of a feud between 2+2 and RC.

Take a fresh look at John's post in the clear light of day. Re-posting it would make a positive statement about 2+2, don't you think?

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If I were a proposition bet kind of guy, I would find a way to make some action on the likelihood of this happening. Let's see, Hilary was 5-2 against on the Dem nomination and 11-1 against to win it all -- somewhere between those two numbers would probably be good [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Or maybe it's one of those quantum mechanics Infinity things (See RC's upcoming piece in ConJelCo's Intelligent Gambler for the inside joke on the reference.)

Best,

jb

[JohnBond]

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....and one more interesting, informative, and entertaining contributor to this forum is out the door. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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Nah Trout -- that would be way too easy on Mason. He can boot me like he did Abdul and others -- a bit more difficult since I make an effort to avoid the ad hominem ( though Mason DOES make it hard) -- But I'll be sure to drop in from time-to-time if for no other reason than Mason's somewhat predictable kneejerk responses amuse me [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Dammit, was that ad hominem? Or merely true? LOL

But seriously, it's his board -- he can do what he wants. And of course will. And there's no reason for him not to -- although the sham of a place for the free and open expression of ideas and exchange of info ought to be dropped then.

This place is a commercial venture. The proprietors may do with it what they wish. The issue of censorship applies only to governmental or quasi-governmental agencies. Nobody has a right to post here or say what they want here, and the owners can intellectually manhandle whomever they choose to. That is clearly their preorgative.

Does that diminish both them and their forum? Perhaps. But are they entitled? Certainly.

Best,

jb

[Mason Malmuth]

Hi Everyone:

All moderation on these forums is done by our moderator Mat Sklansky. I have no authority in the moderation process.

Best wishes,
Mason

[JohnBond]

Mason, Mason, Mason

It takes a lawyer to parse what you say sometimes.

I'm sure your statement is true.

But can you also say honestly that you have no INPUT on the moderation process, never have, never will?

Have you never directed Mat's attention to something you find offensive? Or even which personally irked you?

Come, come, don't fib now. Certainly if you DID in fact sometimes direct Mat's attention it might be tempting to fib about it?

It's okay --- like all of us you're entitled to your feelings.

Just remember what my mama always used to say: Nobody MAKES you feel anyway. People do what they do and how you feel about it comes from inside you and you alone.

So when you feel rage, disgust, anger, pique or whatever --- that's not anybody else but you. We control our own emotional destiny, subject only to the vagaries of our biochemistry.

Best,

jb

[JohnBond]

Mason --

Let me say that I recognize the possibility -- however unlikely -- that I might be wrong. And if I am wrong I apologize,

The problem of course, as with so many things including those under discussion on the various threads, is proof. Your unsubstantiated word would not lessen my suspicion that you told Mat you thought this particular post was advertising and ought be taken down.

And even if Mat were to pipe up and say that you never spoke to him about such things generally or this case in particular I would continue to have doubts.

As with Russ's comments, it comes down to verbal statements and representations impossible to prove or disprove, and in such cases we poor, inadequate humans follow our guts.

I'm reasonably certain I'm right in my suspicions here, and nothing you say is likely to dissuade me -- but if I happen to be wrong I do apologize.

Best,

jb

[tipperdog]

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Mason --

Let me say that I recognize the possibility -- however unlikely -- that I might be wrong. And if I am wrong I apologize,

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I'm reasonably certain I'm right in my suspicions here, and nothing you say is likely to dissuade me -- but if I happen to be wrong I do apologize.

Best,

jb

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Respectfully, that may be the lamest conditional apology I have ever read. In essence, your post says: "You did it. Nothing you say can convince me you didn't do it. But if you didn't do it (which I don't believe and cannot be convinced otherwise), then I'm sorry."

BTW, didn't you just criticize Mason's post with:

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Mason, Mason, Mason

It takes a lawyer to parse what you say sometimes.


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If it takes a lawyer to parse Mason's post, it takes the whole firm to parse yours. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[JohnBond]

Yah Tipper you're basically right. Let me try to be clearer.

I'm really sure I'm right -- but if I'm wrong I apologize.

That's simple and direct, yes ?

Sometimes I think too much like a lawyer. Oh [censored], that's because I am [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Thanks for calling me on it. Appreciate [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Best,

jb

[pastabatman]

I'm not sure how this reflects on this whole brouhaha, but in 2+2's latest book, Getting Started In Hold 'Em, Real Poker II is recommended for further reading on limit hold 'em:
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If you like to learn through examples, this book is for you. It walks you through the thought process of a professional-level player with a unique style and intricacy. Read this book and see the principles of hold 'em in practice.

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In light of this, it's a complete mystery to me why the post was deleted. Other authors (most recently King Yao) have been able to post about their books. Is it because permission wasn't requested in this case? Weird.

Pasta

[Seahorse]

I did what John Bond suggested and went to rpg to read the deleted post. Mason’s right it did hype the Cooke/Bond upcoming books a little, although I don’t think it went so far as being advertising. It was a pretty good post tho. What I did was delete all references to upcoming books or where you could buy the from the post, so there’s no advertising content. That way we all get the benefit of it without any violation of the Forum Rules. I’m ike tipperdog and consider this just a question of enforcing rules and not something personal Mason has about Cooke.

Anyway, here’s John Bond’s post about Cooke’s books as editted by me. I tried to err on the side of eliminating any possible reference to where to buy the books, or what books Cooke has coming, etc. ouf deference to Mason’s stated opinion that violates the Board’s anti-advertising rules. And as Bond says, Mason’s board, Mason’s rules.

Bond’s post:

In perusing some old posts I noticed a bit of confusion over the content in Roy
Cooke’s column collections Real Poker I: The Cooke Collection and Real Poker II
the Play of Hands. (When some other columnists reprint their columns they call
them essays, which is both accurate and has more cachet – but a tad misleading.
RC and I prefer calling a spade a spade.)

CardPlayer prints 25 issues per year, and RC hasn’t missed a column since he
started. There are a few old-timers who have been around longer but most of them
took breaks, or at least missed a few months. RC is the longest continuously
running poker columnist in the country. CardPlayer’s senior columnist. That is
one of the reasons he is always prominently featured at the front of the magazine, right behind the publishers Barry and Jeff Shulman.

RPI: The Cooke Collection is every column RC wrote in his first five years at
CardPlayer, or as we call it in the Introduction, The Good, The Bad & The Ugly.
There are 123 total columns in that book. (It wasn’t quite 5 years). It was
released in 1998, covered columns from 92-97 and sold out pretty much right
away. It is out of print, and there are no plans at this time to reprint it.

Although we don’t think they are all necessarily the best of Roy, there’s no
doubt that his play of hands columns, where he analyzes the thought processes of
decision making at the poker table, are by far his most popular. In 2000 we
released Real Poker II: The Play of Hands. It included 38 play of hands columns
from Roy’s first five years, together with 40 more that appeared subsequently
for a total of 78 columns, play of hands only.

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Because there was some material from RPI in RPII, some people were unsure which
to buy. As RPI is no longer available and probably won’t ever be re-printed
that’s no longer an issue. Personally I think RPI is a better book because it is
more comprehensive and goes beyond the one subject. But RPII definitely gets
better player and reader commentary, albeit mostly from people who haven’t seen
RPI.

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(Possible advertising paragraph deleted by Seahorse.)

(Partial possible advertising paragraph deleted by Seahorse.) There will be no
more complete collections, or overlap within books. Some of the columns just
suck and don’t deserve to see the light of day again! No columnist bats 1.000.

(Possible advertising paragraph deleted by Seahorse.)

It’s worth noting that in the editing process at CP sometimes material we think
is important is removed. Sometimes it’s for space purposes, sometimes because
our use of metaphor and simile is beyond the bounds of “family magazine”
language, sometimes out of deference to others in the poker industry. In the
books you get the unadulterated versions. A small example is that we once did a
bit based on a routine by Garret Morrison of Saturday Night Live: “Bazeball bin
berry berry gude to me” which was removed because it might be deemed offensive.
That said, the last three years’ columns as they appeared in the magazine are
available at CardPlayer’s website.

I hope that cleared up any questions about RPI and II, as well as letting you
know what we’re up to. (Partial possible advertising paragraph deleted by Seahorse.)

Best,

jb


The stuff which I guess broke the forum rules and so I cut was mostly about Cooke and Bond’s upcoming publications and where to get their books. It was really pretty harmless, not spammy or hype. But it’s out now. Like Bond says you can read the original version on rpg where I found this. I hope this is a good compromise for everybody.

I’ll post this on both forums where this is a topic.