KK not always push anymore eh?

amoeba · #1 03-01-2005, 11:48 PM

KK not always push preflop at party now, eh?

sourbeaver · #2 03-01-2005, 11:51 PM

I guess. But keep in mind that the opposition hasn't changed because the blinds did.

They'll still push with KQ, AQ, AJs, KJs, 88-JJ ... 45s !

amoeba · #3 03-01-2005, 11:53 PM

do they?

I haven't seen it yet with a full stack.

sourbeaver · #4 03-01-2005, 11:56 PM

Either preflop, or after the flop with a measly pair or gutshot, I see it 8-10 times a week.

But it's a valid point to say that KK might not be auto-push preflop now.

Georgia Peach · #5 03-02-2005, 12:56 AM

For the less than experienced NL players, why isn't it a push anymore?

amoeba · #6 03-02-2005, 12:57 AM

stacks are deeper, people are supposedly less likely to call you with QQ JJ, etc..

ihardlyknowher · #7 03-02-2005, 01:09 AM

I think we may be giving the PP crowd too much credit. If QQ was worth $25 yesterday, it is worth $25 today. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

Wayfare · #8 03-02-2005, 01:09 AM

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KK not always push preflop at party now, eh?

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You're still only afraid of one hand bud. Aren't you the guy who doesn't complete KQs in the SB?

MasterShakes · #9 03-02-2005, 01:21 AM

Laying down KK is going to be heavily player dependent. You're going to need to know your player well and know that your player isn't willing to semi-routinely get all-in with QQ or AK also. Both finding this player and knowing a player this well will be rare in these games up to 100 I'm sure.

BradleyT · #10 03-02-2005, 01:22 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter

MP3 ($23.3)
CO ($26.6)
Button ($19.35)
SB ($17.25)
BB ($23.25)
UTG ($82.65)
UTG+1 ($10.36)
UTG+2 ($15.5)
Hero ($25.6)
MP2 ($75.89)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
UTG raises to $2, 2 folds, Hero calls $2, MP2 raises to $7, 5 folds, UTG calls $80.65 (All-In), Hero folds, MP2 calls $68.89 (All-In).

Flop: ($160.89) 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($160.89) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($160.89) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $160.89

Results in white below: 
UTG has Ad As (two pair, aces and queens).
MP2 has Jc Ac (one pair, queens).
Outcome: UTG wins $160.54.