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Old 04-06-2005, 05:16 PM
mtdoak mtdoak is offline
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Default Mid Pair no kick against a drawing board....

Villian is loose preflop, semi agressive (1.5 TOT/12.5 PFR after 30+ hands).

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (5 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP1 folds, Button folds, SB folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB
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Old 04-06-2005, 05:25 PM
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Default Re: Mid Pair no kick against a drawing board....

Fine. Pot isn't big enough to look him up in my opinion.
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Old 04-06-2005, 05:34 PM
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Default Re: Mid Pair no kick against a drawing board....

I'd just check fold the flop. 4 people have VPIPed and there's 2 cards in the playing zone. Chances are someone has at least a better Q or a K, or a strong chance to draw out on your very marginal hand.
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Old 04-06-2005, 05:36 PM
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Default Re: Mid Pair no kick against a drawing board....

check/fold flop
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Old 04-06-2005, 05:43 PM
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Default Re: Mid Pair no kick against a drawing board....

I don't like it, though the pot is still pretty small, so it's not that bad. Given villain's pfr%, what's he limping in with utg? There's the remote possibility of a big pair, but it's more likely someting like QT or Q9, or two diamonds. I like calling and betting into him on the turn, since the second eight might appear to have helped you more than it did. If raised again, it makes this hand a little easier to get away from, though it would be a bigger mistake to fold the best hand (or a chop) in a bigger pot.
I'd like to know what the others think.
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Old 04-06-2005, 05:46 PM
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Default Re: Mid Pair no kick against a drawing board....

Very well, check/fold. Tiny pot, weak hand, out of position.
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Old 04-06-2005, 05:46 PM
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Default Re: Mid Pair no kick against a drawing board....

check/fold the flop. You can't beat a Q or a K and the pot is small. Nothing here worth fighting for. SSH has an example similar to this, 2nd pair, no kicker, small pot.

You got a free BB play and the flopped basically missed you. Fold.
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Old 04-06-2005, 05:48 PM
flair1239 flair1239 is offline
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Default Re: Mid Pair no kick against a drawing board....

I probably play it the same. The backdoor flush is enough to keep me interested. On the flop I think you can give yourself 6 outs, and I like betting out better then check/calling. I can't really see check/folding to one bet on this flop.
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