enternal hell bothers me - Page 7

JohnG · #61 10-05-2005, 01:42 PM

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If Jesus is the son of God/God and you look at other passages in the Bible where God has 'smote' people or acted flippantly towards death (aka "the 1st death" = man dying on earth) it would seem he doesn't view it as any big deal at all, where it shatters us with grief, and sometimes we never recover from witnessing it happen to someone we love.

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Where does this grief come from?

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ESP is an interesting issue, like telekinesis et al. Since it said we don't use all of our brain, one wonders if such things are possible but we don't know how to do it.

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If we are all one, and knew it, would we need to wonder?

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If our brain is like a machine that is wired to do these things, maybe the manufacturer took out a vital part which would be the 'bridge' for us to access these abilities.

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Manufacturer or some other force? Why would the manufacturer take out a vital part?

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Therefore when some people claim access to these abilities, ofcourse we must see what 'bridge' exists in their brains that we don't have, and if no 'bridge' exists biologically, does it exist somewhere else.

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Belief. Our reality is constructed and interpretted by our belief.

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Life as we know it may be bullsh!t.

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Agree.

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Like a young racehorse that has 'blinders' put on it so it isn't distracted by it's peripheral vision and will only concentrate on what is in front of it, life could be like that, a 'tunnelled vision' to us

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Could this be what organised religion, education, and science etc is for?

And it goes without saying that anyone looking at this issue through the filter of the selfish separate self has blinkers on.

It's like 1 person looking at a car and saying it is a damaged wreck, and another looking and saying it is in perfect condition. From a narrow perspective, neither can be true and it is a paradox. From a higher perspective/consciousness where the whole car can be seen, it is apparent that both were only seeing part of the picture. One looking at a damaged side of the car, thinking it was the whole car and they are right, and the other narrow perspective noticing the other side where there was no damage and thinking it was the whole picture and they are right. From the higher perspective/consciousness, there is no paradox. They are both right and both wrong, and they can never be any different until their perspective changes and they can see the whole picture.

Whilst looking at things from a selfish or self centered point of view, the picture will never be whole.

sexdrugsmoney · #62 10-05-2005, 02:58 PM

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I am not really eloquent enough to explain it properly. Energy needs poles between which the vibration can resonate. So this reality is a world of polarity. On/off, good/evil, night/day, light/dark, heaven/hell, right/wrong, negative/positive, male/female, God/Devil, left/right, Democrat/Republican, can/can't, will/won't, for/against, war/peace, matter/anti-matter etc. Anger has a polar opposite does it not? To accept anger is to create it's opposite.

This reality is a duality that divides oneness. As soon as we accept this is real, and accept any polarity, (I am American, Christian, good, liberal, poker player, whatever), we are trapped in the illusion of duality, of being separate rather than one.

I wonder what happens when 2 poles are brought together?

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What happens?

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Religions are man made, for reasons of control over the masses, all originating from the same force. Mainstream science originates from the same force also, to trap the minds of those that reject religion. God is not a separate superior being that needs to be worshipped and obeyed. God is infinite consciousness, from which everything is created and thus connected. We are not insignificant accidents that cease to exist when we die. We are not our illusionary physical bodies. We are infinite consciousness. Consciousness does not vibrate. It is oneness. It is not a matter of faith or intellect. It can be experienced.

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How can it be experienced?

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If Jesus is the son of God/God and you look at other passages in the Bible where God has 'smote' people or acted flippantly towards death (aka "the 1st death" = man dying on earth) it would seem he doesn't view it as any big deal at all, where it shatters us with grief, and sometimes we never recover from witnessing it happen to someone we love.

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Where does this grief come from?

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Knowledge I would wager.

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ESP is an interesting issue, like telekinesis et al. Since it said we don't use all of our brain, one wonders if such things are possible but we don't know how to do it.

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If we are all one, and knew it, would we need to wonder?

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Explain.

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If our brain is like a machine that is wired to do these things, maybe the manufacturer took out a vital part which would be the 'bridge' for us to access these abilities.

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Manufacturer or some other force? Why would the manufacturer take out a vital part?

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Which other force could tamper, and what authority does said force have to tamper if it is not the manufacturer?

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Therefore when some people claim access to these abilities, ofcourse we must see what 'bridge' exists in their brains that we don't have, and if no 'bridge' exists biologically, does it exist somewhere else.

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Belief. Our reality is constructed and interpretted by our belief.

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So if person Y believes they can fly and jumps out of a window of a tall building, as long as they believe without doubt, they will be able to defy the laws of gravity and fly?

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Like a young racehorse that has 'blinders' put on it so it isn't distracted by it's peripheral vision and will only concentrate on what is in front of it, life could be like that, a 'tunnelled vision' to us

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Could this be what organised religion, education, and science etc is for?

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But if these things were used as 'blinders' to tunnel our vision and keep us focused on the race, which set of 'blinders' gives the correct vision? (Islam, Christianity, Judaism etc?)

I don't see how education or science uses the 'blinders' unless the underlying goal is a propagated P.O.V (education) and or a secular atheistic P.O.V (science)

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And it goes without saying that anyone looking at this issue through the filter of the selfish separate self has blinkers on.

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It's like 1 person looking at a car and saying it is a damaged wreck, and another looking and saying it is in perfect condition. From a narrow perspective, neither can be true and it is a paradox. From a higher perspective/consciousness where the whole car can be seen, it is apparent that both were only seeing part of the picture. One looking at a damaged side of the car, thinking it was the whole car and they are right, and the other narrow perspective noticing the other side where there was no damage and thinking it was the whole picture and they are right. From the higher perspective/consciousness, there is no paradox. They are both right and both wrong, and they can never be any different until their perspective changes and they can see the whole picture.

Whilst looking at things from a selfish or self centered point of view, the picture will never be whole.

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Q. How do we see the whole picture?

malorum · #63 10-05-2005, 06:50 PM

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I think the idea of eternal hell is extremely nonsensical and goes against everything Christianity should stand for (Love, caring, forgiveness, righteouness, etc)

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To paraphrase aquinas.

Its not that the saints enjoy watching the sinners burn (that would violate their christian duty of charity).
No they rejoice because they see the beauty of God's Justice.

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kuro · #64 10-06-2005, 06:06 AM

A very high percentage of Christians believe that definition. However, they also believe that God is the only source of peace, joy, contentment, goodness, etc. and so that not being with God is equivalent to eternal suffering and a fate worse than death/not being born. They believe that's why hell is compared to being thrown into a fire pit and a place of weeping and gnashing of teeth.