Building a big pot, with many outs.

[jluker7]

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Empire Pokerzor $.50/1
5 Handed (10 max)
I post BB (TiltImmune)

Dealt to TiltImmune [ 4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ]
Noobie raises [$1].
Average Player folds.
2+2er folds.
decent player calls [$0.75].
TiltImmune raises [$1].
Noobie calls[$0.5].
decent player calls [$0.5].

** Dealing Flop ** [ 2 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ]
Decent player bets [$0.5].
TiltImmune raises [$1].
Noobie calls [$1].
Decent player calls [$0.5].

** Dealing Turn ** [ 5 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] ]
Decent player checks.
TiltImmune checks.
Noobie bets [$1].
Decent player calls [$1].
TiltImmune raises [$2].
Noobie calls [$1].
Decent player calls [$1].
<font color="blue">anyone like the turn C/R, builds a big pot plus i have a decent amout of outs, counting the ace. </font>

** Dealing River ** [ A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ]
frankrocco checks.
TiltImmune bets [$1].
Noobie calls [$1].
Decent player calls [$1].

Final Pot = Massive 15.75 BB

Anyone try the same stuff to build pot, with 16 outs. (counting ace)

[Entity]

This should go in the HUSH forum.

I hate your 3-bet preflop. Flop raise is fine, especially if they are going to be calling stations.

I hate your turn checkraise. WTF is the point? You don't have equity to raise against 2 opponents if you're behind, which you are.

River bet is standard.

I've played against you before at the 2+2 tables, and you seemed much better there than you do here. This is wayyyyy too aggro and seems to be displaying a misunderstanding of simple concepts like pot equity.

Rob

[Sent]

He had 15 outs on the turn probably, I think that is good enough vs 2 people.

-Sent

[Entity]

On the turn, you have 3 3's, 9 flush outs, and 1.5 aces (you don't count overcards as full outs). That's 13.5 outs, or around 2.4:1 to hit by the river. You've only got two callers.

That should help with my snippety response, but people need to learn that aggression, in and of itself, is not a virtue.

These two aren't folding, and you're losing a small amount of every bet you put into this turn, so checkraising is bad.

Rob

[Entity]

[ QUOTE ]
He had 15 outs on the turn probably, I think that is good enough vs 2 people.

-Sent

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I don't like giving the Aces full outs, since you are often drawing to a chop, and occasionally are behind a 5. The amount of time this happens is slim, sure, but it's enough to discount it to at least 2 outs.

With 15 outs he's 2.1:1 to hit so he needs 3 callers for it to be profitable, neh?

Rob

[jluker7]

whats equity?

[img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

[Entity]

Sorry if I'm being a bit of an ass today. I'm grumpy and don't know why.

Anyway, you get my point. Turn checkraise no goot. I think you've got around 32.2% equity here (someone correct me if I'm wrong), which means that when you put two bets in, you get 1.932 back. It's not a winning play. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Rob

[JoshuaD]

I agree with entity that you you wanna bet this turn, and just call if it's raised. You're place to stuff this hand is on the flop. You're equity halves when that 5 falls on the turn. You also lose some more equity because you're A might not even be good.

I would stuff as best I could on the flop(like you did), and bet/call the turn. I bet the turn so I know how a rivered Ace might be, find out where that 5 is.