Two Plus Two Older Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Older Archives > Limit Texas Hold'em > Small Stakes Hold'em
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-23-2005, 03:17 AM
Klak Klak is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 270
Default 87s on the button

im playing a live game 3/6.

i have 78 of [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] on the button.

action goes utg calls, 2 more calls behind, folded to me, i call. both blinds call/check.

reads: utg is a pretty good player that usually plays NL. both callers behind are both very loose PF but play normally postflop. both blinds are pretty tight from what i have observed so far.

flop comes 9 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].

sb bets, bb calls, utg raises, (folded to me), i 3-bet, both blinds fold, utg calls.

turn is a 6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
utg checks, i bet, utg calls.

river comes T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]
utg checks, i check.
anyone think i played this wrong? fold PF? call the flop? bet the river? please help. thanks!
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-23-2005, 03:19 AM
Borodog Borodog is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 5
Default Re: 87s on the button

Bet the river.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-23-2005, 03:41 AM
TheHammer24 TheHammer24 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Changing my skirt
Posts: 335
Default Re: 87s on the button

Bet the river. I guess call a raise (agree?) Perfect otherwise
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-23-2005, 03:45 AM
bigalt bigalt is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 287
Default Re: 87s on the button

[ QUOTE ]
Bet the river. I guess call a raise (agree?) Perfect otherwise

[/ QUOTE ]

Why not 3-bet?
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 10-23-2005, 03:49 AM
Borodog Borodog is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 5
Default Re: 87s on the button

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Bet the river. I guess call a raise (agree?) Perfect otherwise

[/ QUOTE ]

Why not 3-bet?

[/ QUOTE ]

I agree. 3-bet and call a cap.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 10-23-2005, 02:55 PM
Klak Klak is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 270
Default Re: 87s on the button

i thought that was the right play. thanks!
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 10-23-2005, 03:50 PM
ellipse_87 ellipse_87 is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Posts: 116
Default Re: 87s on the button

Concerning the flop,

Is it all that important to protect here? Will the few pots we save against a BDFD or an A-high gutshot justify losing those two small bets and poss. bets on future streets? (I'm assuming 4-flushes and OESD's aren't folding to hero's 3-bet.) Or is this a value bet against the large number of strong draws set up by this coordinated board?

As for the river,

There are 12 AJ's & 12 KJ's that he could have. Almost everything that beats you would have shown more action already, with the possible exception of the 6 T9's that are out there.

Edit: Sorry to bump...didn't see time-stamps of previous replies.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 10-23-2005, 03:54 PM
clownshoes clownshoes is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Giant Clown Shoe
Posts: 191
Default Re: 87s on the button

Everything is fine until the river check. Bet it.
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 10-23-2005, 03:57 PM
Klak Klak is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Posts: 270
Default Re: 87s on the button

i 3-bet because i wanted to charge flush and straight draws that could beat me the maximum. i checked the river because i put the flop raiser on JT or some kind of 2 pair. she showed KJ and mhig. thanks for the replies.
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 10-23-2005, 04:07 PM
W. Deranged W. Deranged is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 96
Default Re: 87s on the button

[ QUOTE ]
i 3-bet because i wanted to charge flush and straight draws that could beat me the maximum. i checked the river because i put the flop raiser on JT or some kind of 2 pair. she showed KJ and mhig. thanks for the replies.

[/ QUOTE ]

In my opinion raising the flop is significantly better than calling and waiting for the turn. You might get hands with gutshots and backdoor draws to fold. The primary reason for raising, though, is that this board has plenty of stuff for people to like and so a raise here is good for value. Charge your opponents while they are still interested enough to play.

And betting this river is automatic.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:51 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.