Is this the time to draw to 2-outs?

ihardlyknowher · #1 03-21-2005, 02:42 AM

Villain (the flop bettor) is loose-passive.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $1.
UTG calls, UTG+1 raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, CO (poster) calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, BB :#A500AF(Villain)/ calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (12 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (6 players)
Hero checks, Villain bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls, CO folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (8 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, Villain bets, UTG folds, MP2 folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9 BB

Entity · #2 03-21-2005, 02:44 AM

If he's loose-passive, then no, 15-1 probably isn't enough. It's not too bad, but you're going to need to be making an additional 7.5 bets up on the turn/river when you hit, which is tougher against a passive group.

Rob

Bradyams · #3 03-21-2005, 02:46 AM

Fold preflop

Fold the flop

No, this is not the time to draw to two outs. The pot is much too small, and it's only heads up.

Stork · #4 03-21-2005, 02:49 AM

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Fold preflop

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Nope.

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Fold the flop

No, this is not the time to draw to two outs. The pot is much too small, and it's only heads up.

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Yeap.

Entity · #5 03-21-2005, 02:50 AM

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Fold preflop

Fold the flop

No, this is not the time to draw to two outs. The pot is much too small, and it's only heads up.

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Folding preflop is so [censored] terrible it makes my head spin.

Seriously, don't post two words worth of advice when you're going to be that blatantly wrong about it. Hero is getting 10.5:1.5 (7:1) to call preflop and that's well over what he needs to call with any pocket pair.

Bradyams · #6 03-21-2005, 02:51 AM

Oopsies I didn't see that you were in the SB. Disregard my "Fold Preflop" statement.

ihardlyknowher · #7 03-21-2005, 02:52 AM

It is not heads up. There are 2 other callers and I close the action. Does that change anything?

Bradyams · #8 03-21-2005, 02:54 AM

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Fold preflop

Fold the flop

No, this is not the time to draw to two outs. The pot is much too small, and it's only heads up.

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Folding preflop is so [censored] terrible it makes my head spin.

Seriously, don't post two words worth of advice when you're going to be that blatantly wrong about it. Hero is getting 10.5:1.5 (7:1) to call preflop and that's well over what he needs to call with any pocket pair.

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If he was on the button would you say call or fold?

Sorry I said fold preflop, I just had a brain fart there (didn't see he was in the SB), and I do agree that folding this out of the SB is a mistake.

Entity · #9 03-21-2005, 02:54 AM

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It is not heads up. There are 2 other callers and I close the action. Does that change anything?

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No. Reread my first post. You're gonna have to make up a lot of bets to make it worthwhile.

Rob

Entity · #10 03-21-2005, 02:55 AM

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Fold preflop

Fold the flop

No, this is not the time to draw to two outs. The pot is much too small, and it's only heads up.

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Folding preflop is so [censored] terrible it makes my head spin.

Seriously, don't post two words worth of advice when you're going to be that blatantly wrong about it. Hero is getting 10.5:1.5 (7:1) to call preflop and that's well over what he needs to call with any pocket pair.

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If he was on the button would you say call or fold?

Sorry I said fold preflop, I just had a brain fart there (didn't see he was in the SB), and I do agree that folding this out of the SB is a mistake.

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I would probably call on the button if the blinds were loose.

Rob