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Old 12-28-2005, 03:05 AM
oreogod oreogod is offline
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Default Que\' Onda Guero (2 questions)

A situation Ive run into often over the past few days. Anyway, few minutes into this table. Players are okay, not much of a read on BB except hes not crazy-ish.

KQ of diamonds.
I raise in MP. btn and BB call.

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I bet, button folds, bb calls.

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bb bets, I raise, he 3bets.


1.My action?
2.If he just calls my turn raise, are you checking or betting the river (non-spade river)?

Edit: this is 10.20
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Old 12-28-2005, 03:32 AM
Alex/Mugaaz Alex/Mugaaz is offline
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Default Re: Que\' Onda Guero (2 questions)

I think I might be missing something , but wouldn't it be better to call the turn and raise the river?
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Old 12-28-2005, 05:15 AM
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Default Re: Que\' Onda Guero (2 questions)

I'd just call the turn.
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Old 12-28-2005, 05:36 AM
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Default Re: Que\' Onda Guero (2 questions)

Yeah if you're not ready to fold to a 3 bet,don't raise theturn. Either call call, or raise fold. I call call against almost all opponents.
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Old 12-28-2005, 06:15 AM
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Default Re: Que\' Onda Guero (2 questions)

hmm, i thought this was a standard turn raise? yeah i think you can fold to the 3-bet, and i'm definitely betting the river if he calls the turn. i guess you guys don't want to raise because without much of a read you'd hate to get 3-bet?
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Old 12-28-2005, 06:19 AM
aLOWdAkING aLOWdAkING is offline
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Default Re: Que\' Onda Guero (2 questions)

Is it still an easy call if the spade didn't fall on the turn, or is villain donking a lot with two pair here as well?
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Old 12-28-2005, 06:50 AM
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Default Re: Que\' Onda Guero (2 questions)

I like calling turn + river over raising turn; button is out so hand protection is not as important, you may get 3-bet when you have 5-7+ outs, so folding to the 3-bet is no good, but putting 3 bets in on the turn on this board is definitely not favorable against BB's range. You are in position, so you can assure that a river bet goes in if BB is on KJ/worse Kx/pair + spade. Lastly, if BB is semibluffing spades he may bluff bet river if he misses on this scary board, hoping you'll fold something.
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Old 12-28-2005, 06:54 AM
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yeah, i suck.
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