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Old 12-13-2005, 07:59 PM
WhiteWolf WhiteWolf is offline
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Default Lost with Overpair vs Preflop Raiser

I felt lost on all post-flop streets. Is calling down the right strategy here? Anywhere I should raise (or fold)? Bet when checked to on the river?

MP3 seems to raise PF a little more than normal, but I haven't seen him show any trash yet.

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BB ($23.75)
UTG ($16.45)
UTG+1 ($19.85)
MP1 ($23.35)
MP2 ($13.85)
MP3 ($32.70)
Hero ($50.45)
Button ($20.60)
SB ($27.80)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.10.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls $0.25, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to $1</font>, Hero calls $1, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP2 calls $0.75.

Flop: ($3.60) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $2</font>, Hero calls $2, MP2 folds.

Turn: ($7.60) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets $4</font>, Hero calls $4.

River: ($15.60) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: $15.60

TIA,

The Wolf
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Old 12-13-2005, 08:25 PM
EMcWilliams EMcWilliams is offline
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Default Re: Lost with Overpair vs Preflop Raiser

Re-raise PF to thin out the field a little more. I play this hand the exact same way afterwards.
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Old 12-13-2005, 08:34 PM
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Fold this flop, even though you said villain had a wide range of hands with which to make a pfr, it still suggests at least one overcard. The fact that villain did not shy away from an all suited flop and took a hard line the whole way is bad news, it typically means that overcard is one you don't want to see. The Flush draw is the only option I see here, and you are only behind 3 holdings, but that is enough for this weak-tight jackass donk to fold.

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Old 12-13-2005, 09:26 PM
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Default Re: Lost with Overpair vs Preflop Raiser

Definitely reraise preflop. The hand would play completely differently afterwards.
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Old 12-13-2005, 09:51 PM
Godfather80 Godfather80 is offline
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Default Re: Lost with Overpair vs Preflop Raiser

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Definitely reraise preflop. The hand would play completely differently afterwards.

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Reraising preflop would certainly make things play completely differently, although I don't know if it would be better for us.

Reraising with JJ is a difficult proposition. What better hands fold and what worse hands call? I prefer a call or raise with JJ preflop, but I'm willing to be convinced that a reraise can be +EV. Help me understand.
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Old 12-13-2005, 11:12 PM
WhiteWolf WhiteWolf is offline
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Default Re: Lost with Overpair vs Preflop Raiser

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Definitely reraise preflop. The hand would play completely differently afterwards.

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Reraising preflop would certainly make things play completely differently, although I don't know if it would be better for us.

Reraising with JJ is a difficult proposition. What better hands fold and what worse hands call? I prefer a call or raise with JJ preflop, but I'm willing to be convinced that a reraise can be +EV. Help me understand.

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This was my thinking as well. Against normal players, I do not reraise JJ. Against a PF LAG, I will reraise. Villian here was somewhat liberal with PF raises, but not too far out of line.

I'd be interested in hearing further about what others feel about reraising PF w/JJ. Is this something a lot of folks do???
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