109 - fold a flopped flush?!?

WebGuySteve · #1 10-03-2005, 01:12 AM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG (t1440)
MP (t880)
CO (t1515)
Button (t675)
Hero (t1635)
BB (t3855)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls t50, 3 folds, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t150) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets t50, BB calls t50, UTG calls t50.

Turn: (t300) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets t150, BB raises to t800, UTG is all-In t1340, Hero ???

No real reads on anyone, I think the flop action is most important here. Thoughts on turn action?

redrooski24 · #2 10-03-2005, 01:15 AM

Negative. Jam it up. I expect 2 pair here more often than not. That said, I probably bet a little more on the flop.

WebGuySteve · #3 10-03-2005, 01:16 AM

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Negative. Jam it up. I expect 2 pair here more often than not. That said, I probably bet a little more on the flop.

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2 pair from both opponents? Notice I bet the turn, raised, then someone else pushed.

lastchance · #4 10-03-2005, 01:18 AM

What did UTG do?

And bet more on the flop or check-raise.

Shilly · #5 10-03-2005, 01:20 AM

Well, it was unraised preflop, so there's a lot of possibilites here.

1)BB has a higher flush: Somewhat consistent with flop action. Doesn't need to protect hand on the flop (especially if he has the nut flush) against another spade on the turn. However, his turn bet is awkwardly large.

2)BB has a lower flush: Not very consistent with the flop action. He probably would have raised to protect his hand from a higher spade draw. He makes a big bet on the turn to protect his hand.

3)BB has a pair value hand/two pair/set: He could have a weak two pair holding like T4, and wants to peel off a cheap card on the flop and re-evaluate the turn. After the turn bricks, he snaps into action with what he thinks is the best hand and tries to protect it.

Tough hand, but I think I'd push here. The deciding factor for me is his strange turn raise. It doesn't really seem to fit the profile of a hand that beats you.

#6 10-03-2005, 01:22 AM

can't be anything but a push...sometimes he has the higher flush, but far more often he has something else. Even at the 109's, plenty of people make this play with a set, which would be my guess at what he has.

WebGuySteve · #7 10-03-2005, 01:22 AM

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What did UTG do?

And bet more on the flop or check-raise.

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ha, the converter didn't get that, thats why nobody is taking into account the TWO people I'm against [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] EDITED! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

raptor517 · #8 10-03-2005, 01:27 AM

bet more on the flop poon. i pot it when i flop a flush like that. other than that.. the way you posted the hand makes it an autoshove.. you might wanna fix that, as i know what the real hand looks like.. utg shoves. that makes things dicey, and i lean towards a fold. holla

#9 10-03-2005, 01:32 AM

Yep I'm with raptor, the UTG push turns what was a push into a fold. One of them very likely has the higher flush. Tough hand though.

freemoney · #10 10-03-2005, 02:03 AM

no reads i fold.