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Old 11-17-2005, 04:00 PM
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Default $33, passing up an edge by folding AK

2nd hand, UTG limpers, UTG+1 makes it 100 to go, I fold AKo in MP.

I think calling is the worst play here, and don't want to argue that.

Pushing, I am almost surely a coinflip. I folded because I thought by avoiding a flip (which might be marginally +cEV because I might run into AQ), I can stay around until bubble where I have a bigger edge than in this hand.

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Old 11-17-2005, 04:04 PM
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folding is fine here.
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Old 11-17-2005, 04:07 PM
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Default Re: $33, passing up an edge by folding AK

Pushing is not the only option here.
Why not a raise to, say, 300?
Too early for a push, IMHO.

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Old 11-17-2005, 04:08 PM
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Pushing, I am almost surely a coinflip.

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i don't know where you people get this stuff.
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Old 11-17-2005, 04:09 PM
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folding is fine here.

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Old 11-17-2005, 04:11 PM
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Pushing, I am almost surely a coinflip.

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i don't know where you people get this stuff.

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what does he raise 9bb with on level 1? some people do this with AA KK, which just makes my hand even worse against this range.
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Old 11-17-2005, 04:11 PM
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This AK thing is bugging me. Not your hand, just AK in general. I read Matt Matros' about pushing with AK article recently and it made mathematical sense. Seems like a dangerous strategy to me but it is so logical that it annoys me. One day I'll grow some balls and give the strategy a go.
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Old 11-17-2005, 04:13 PM
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This AK thing is bugging me. Not your hand, just AK in general. I read Matt Matros' about pushing with AK article recently and it made mathematical sense. Seems like a dangerous strategy to me but it is so logical that it annoys me. One day I'll grow some balls and give the strategy a go.

[/ QUOTE ]i have an edge when the blinds become a certain size, which doesn't really apply in a MTT. thats why i dont need to take this.
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Old 11-17-2005, 04:13 PM
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I think calling is the worst play here, and don't want to argue that.

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I think if you are dead set against calling, then folding is your only play. Most likely he has AK or a middle pair with a raise of that size in lvl 1.

So, if you push and are called you're most likely spliting the pot or a coinflip and you don't really want to be flipping coins this early.

If your are not called, is t140 worth it for the risk of being called?
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Old 11-17-2005, 04:14 PM
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Default Re: $33, passing up an edge by folding AK

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Pushing, I am almost surely a coinflip.

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i don't know where you people get this stuff.

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what does he raise 9bb with on level 1?

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not only are you basically assuming you have no folding equity against medium pairs, you're assuming that he can only have pairs.

he raised to 100, which is about 7x bb, at party, and he did it behind a limper.

lastly, you aren't giving up ev when you avoid getting all your money in with a worst hand.
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