Me vs. ICM

suited_ace · #1 07-02-2005, 05:11 PM

I just got eastbay's program, and there are a lot of hands where I did the exact opposite of what it tells me to do. I'll post a few here to see what you would have done, and I want you to answer without using ICM.

Let's assume no reads, just your usual $10+1 players.

1.Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (4 handed) converter

Hero (t690)
BB (t1050)
UTG (t1645)
Button (t4615)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero ?

2. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (4 handed) converter

Hero (t2010)
BB (t170)
UTG (t1685)
Button (t4135)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero?

3. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (4 handed) converter

Hero (t1635)
Button (t510)
SB (t1760)
BB (t4095)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
Hero?

4. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (7 handed) converter

CO (t2635)
Hero (t580)
SB (t115)
BB (t1185)
UTG (t640)
MP1 (t900)
MP2 (t1945)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero?

microbet · #2 07-02-2005, 05:17 PM

1. Push.

2. Push.

3. Fold.

4. Close and doesn't matter that much, but Push.

I swear I didn't touch Eastbay's program.

Roman · #3 07-02-2005, 05:21 PM

Hand 1: Push
Hand 2: Push
Hand 3: Depends on table really
Hand 4: Push

edit: I dont have ICM and dont really know exactly what it is

valenzuela · #4 07-02-2005, 05:21 PM

1. easy push.
2. very, very, very close push.
3. fold.
4. push

Madd · #5 07-02-2005, 05:40 PM

Haven't checked anything with programs, here is how it would play in a tourney:

#1 Push
#2 Push
#3 Fold
#4 If the SB had a normal stack size, I would definitely push. I do not like to show down K5o now, nevertheless it's a close push for me.

ilya · #6 07-02-2005, 06:49 PM

1, push
2, complete
3, very easy fold
4, push

microbet · #7 07-02-2005, 06:54 PM

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2, complete

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Push the flop for 20 chips eh? I guess.

ilya · #8 07-02-2005, 06:56 PM

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2, complete

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Push the flop for 20 chips eh? I guess.

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Yeah, I don't think it really matters, but might as well try.

suited_ace · #9 07-02-2005, 07:49 PM

ICM says hand #4 is a push, and it's not close. I don't care what it says, I don't like showing K5o in this spot. If the SB has half a brain, he's calling with NE2 cards in this spot.

I put hand #2 in the mix because in my experience this is the perfect situation to keep the bubble going. I ended up getting ITM with more than 3k chips thanks to the bubble running a little bit longer.

So far so good, it is indeed an amazing tool, but it's not the holy grail.

Benholio · #10 07-02-2005, 07:57 PM

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I put hand #2 in the mix because in my experience this is the perfect situation to keep the bubble going. I ended up getting ITM with more than 3k chips thanks to the bubble running a little bit longer.

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Hero (t2010)
BB (t170)
UTG (t1685)
Button (t4135)

I really don't see how you gain enough value keeping this bubble alive to make it worth pitching to the shortstack. Maybe if you were the one with 4135 chips. You are basically setting up the bigstack to abuse you and UTG.