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Old 12-10-2005, 06:57 PM
Atropos Atropos is offline
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Default 400 games on party very tough?

Hey folks,
I just moved up to the 400$ NL 6-max games on party. Over my first 800 Hands 1-2 tabling, I got 16BB/100 hands [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] But I not only know that this is not sustainable, it also seems to me that I'm outclassed in these games, and if I dont get better I would probably be even the fish in most games.

Why is that? Something seems to be different in comparison to 200NL. I noticed the following things:
a) People are tighter preflop in general, there are less fish.
b) Everyone is much more aggressive!
c) It seems to me that there are tons of delayed bluffs, people calling and raising with nothing on the early streets whenever I have AK and flop only overcards [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
d) Whenever I have a good hand - they fold. Whenever I'm weak - they raise. Whenever I'm beat - I'm paying them off --> Sucks

Here is a hand where cant understand the action at all:
Sat down 20 minutes ago. UTG raiser was quite tight, 24 VPIP and only 4% PFR! I had a note on him that he was able to fold hands, but I saw him overplay QQ once. Thats why I called his raise, wanted to flop two pair / trips and break him.



Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

UTG ($456.60)
MP ($393.20)
CO ($830.40)
Hero ($425)
SB ($239.90)
BB ($666.30)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2.
[color=#CC3333]UTG raises to $12</font>, [color=#666666]2 folds</font>, Hero calls $12, [color=#666666]2 folds</font>.

Flop: ($30) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]UTG bets $22</font>, Hero calls $22.

Turn: ($74) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
[color=#CC3333]UTG bets $55</font>, Hero calls $55.

River: ($184) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] [color=#0000FF](2 players)</font>
UTG checks, [color=#CC3333]Hero bets $120</font>, UTG calls $120.

Final Pot: $424

Results in white below: [color=#FFFFFF]
UTG has Jh Td (one pair, tens).
Hero has Tc 9h (one pair, tens).
Outcome: UTG wins $424. </font>


Maybe there are better lines to play this hand. But the result is still crazy: He called me with JTo! How?
Flush got there on the river, AK has sucked out on him, he is still behind to any overpair / set / two pair, anything I could have. Keep in mind he is not a fish, he seemed to be a tight, aggressive player, even after this hand!

So is maybe 400 NL the level where you have to make tough calls and the easy decisions start to disappear? Not at all comparable to lowlimit poker or the 200 games?
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