Debunking the "Blame Nagin and Blanco" Talking Points

[xadrez]

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[DVaut1]

Clearly, you've missed the pictures of the buses under water. Never worry, BGC will be here soon enough with it.

Also, your link never addressed the "Bush is a problem solver" talking point, the "Democrats politicize everything (like the Hurrican Katrina aftermath) for political gain" talking point, and the "Howard Dean and his liberal Hollywood allies like Kanye West are disgusting for criticizing the President (therefore, we should all stop criticizing the President)" talking point.

[vulturesrow]

Does this article "debunk" the fact that Nagin ignored his own Emergency Preparedness Plan? Does it debunk the fact that Blanco's state Emergency Preparedness Dept. also failed to execute various critical steps?

[cadillac1234]

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Does this article "debunk" the fact that Nagin ignored his own Emergency Preparedness Plan? Does it debunk the fact that Blanco's state Emergency Preparedness Dept. also failed to execute various critical steps?

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Does the above give the right to the Feds to act even more incompetent?

DHS/FEMA had ultimate control over the disaster relief according to their own protocols. Why weren't command systems established per DHS SOP? Why wasn't there a 'Joint Command Center' established per DHS SOP setup until Wed of this week?

[vulturesrow]

What does this have to do with the OP or my post for that matter? The subject line says Debunking the "Blame Nagin and Blanco" Talking Points. The posted link has addresses one specific issue. I merely pointed out others where Nagin and Blanco hold significant blame.

FWIW, I think Brown and Chertoff should be fired. They are obviously incompetent boobs, esp. Brown. And Bush deserves some criticism for hiring them. I would only point out that his appointment was standard Washington political patronage. Bush hardly deserves the level of invective the Bushitler crowd is throwing at him.

[cadillac1234]

It has every thing to do with your points. The Feds had the ultimate responsibility to make sure things were running right per DHS 2004 SOP.

If you are the boss and see your employees flailing around and appearing to be overwhelmed by the situation you have the authority and the duty to act to correct it.

The Feds compounded the mistakes by not having a command structure in place, which they were supposed to have done per SOP, to coordinate and correct any problems at the State and local levels.

I worked EMS for 10 years. I worked the Oakland Hills Fire which was a complete clusterf$ck due to lack of communications and the ferocity of the fire. A command structure was immediately in place however and as soon as it was apparent that local systems were going to be overwhelmed (early on) mutual aid was called and on it's way. The Governor and President did not argue protocol. They mobilized resources.

Katrina is 100,000x as bad as the Oakland Hills fire in both scope and destruction. These command systems should have already been in place prior to landfall. The Feds told us they were. They lied. While LA dropped the ball on evacs they met what was considered scenario goals and did the appropriate state of emergency declarations to set the Fed in motion.

Blaming Nagin is like blaming a colonel who lost a skirmish in Iraq for the root problems there. I think the Gov has a lot of blame in this but ultimate authority lies with the Feds.

And I'm very glad to see you think that Brown and Chertoff are boobs. This incident has shed a lot of light on cronyism that is rampant in our government on all levels and parties

[vulturesrow]

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It has every thing to do with your points.

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You are looking too broadly here. I was merely answering the assertion that the snopes link refuted "Blame Nagin and Blanco Talking Points". It clearly doesnt and I brought some points to show that. Did I say anywhere that the feds had no share in the incompetence shown during this disaster ? The answer is no of course. I answered a very precise assertion with a a precise rebuttal. Your response to me went outside those bounds.

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The Feds compounded the mistakes by not having a command structure in place, which they were supposed to have done per SOP, to coordinate and correct any problems at the State and local levels.


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Ill have more to say about this assertion (and the rest of your points)in a separate post.

[4_2_it]

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It has every thing to do with your points. The Feds had the ultimate responsibility to make sure things were running right per DHS 2004 SOP.


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This is pure bunk! Post a link to this protocol. I am certain it is not applicable to hurricane evacautions. I have lived in Florida 37 years and seen my share of these things, and it is the locals authorities who run the show.

Unless the President was going to invoke the Insurrection Act (which Dems would have crucified him for) and take over all state operations from a democrat mayor and governor, the federal government had no jurisdiction in this matter and can only act upon the request of the state governor. The governor of LA is the commander in chief of the LA National Guard.

The feds have their share of blame in this matter, but the lion's share belongs to the elected officials in LA who let their constituents down and now need to blame the feds to stay in office.

[BCPVP]

The title of this thread is false. The article debunks ONE "talking point" (which I've neither used nor heard of) not a greater amount suggested by the title.

[SheetWise]

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The title of this thread is false. The article debunks ONE "talking point" (which I've neither used nor heard of) not a greater amount suggested by the title.


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I can't even find the ONE. Read the Governors declaration for specifics.