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30/60 purebluff JTs vs ihardlyknowher (2+2er)
Button here is "ihardlyknowher" a 2+2er. He knows who I am and vice versa. MP2 is kind of a tard but will probably fold without an ace. What do you guys think?
Party Poker 30/60 Hold'em (7 handed) pokerhand.org hand converter Preflop: Hero is UTG with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>. Flop: (7.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls. Turn: (6.75 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero immediately bets</font>... |
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Re: 30/60 purebluff JTs vs ihardlyknowher (2+2er)
What is MP2s range of cold-calling hands from an UTG raiser? He doesn't look to be going anywhere.
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Re: 30/60 purebluff JTs vs ihardlyknowher (2+2er)
I don't remember this hand. I must have a pocket pair here. I am only folding the river if my PP < 77. Did I fold?
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Re: 30/60 purebluff JTs vs ihardlyknowher (2+2er)
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I don't remember this hand. I must have a pocket pair here. I am only folding the river if my PP < 77. Did I fold? [/ QUOTE ] i bet, MP2 folded, and you thought for about 25 seconds (timer ticked to 3 seconds left) and you called the turn. the river action, I bet again (I regretted betting IMMEDIATELY and felt horrible for doing so) you called, showed 88 and YHIG. |
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Re: 30/60 purebluff JTs vs ihardlyknowher (2+2er)
I should have probably raised the turn for a free SD here. You agree? (assuming your cards are unknown, of course)
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Re: 30/60 purebluff JTs vs ihardlyknowher (2+2er)
No I think this would be very bad. What you did is good. But of course that is because he bluffed the river too.
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Re: 30/60 purebluff JTs vs ihardlyknowher (2+2er)
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No I think this would be very bad. What you did is good. But of course that is because he bluffed the river too. -DeathDonkey [/ QUOTE ] My thinking is that a raise may fold 99-KK, which would be freakin' sweet. Plus, I can easily fold to a 3-bet or river lead. So, if MHIG, it is the same price as calling down and does the most to protect my hand. Knowing that he is bluffing, of course, makes this a bad play. But, I think that a vast majority of the time: -i am behind, but must call down; or -i am ahead, but must protect my hand. |
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Re: 30/60 purebluff JTs vs ihardlyknowher (2+2er)
I think a c/r here is a better bluff - I'm guessing you were worried about it being checked through?
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Re: 30/60 purebluff JTs vs ihardlyknowher (2+2er)
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I think a c/r here is a better bluff - I'm guessing you were worried about it being checked through? [/ QUOTE ] Of course a check-raise is more likely to succeed, but it's twice as costly when it fails. Do you still stand by this statement? You think that getting 6:1 on a 1 bet bluff here, you do better by check-raising getting 7:2 because you odds of winning improve so dramatically? I'm not convinced either way, I'm just trying to point out that the extra wins come at a steep price, to try to frame the argument between the two bluffs better. If I did take a stand though, I'd say that the bet out looks a lot more profitable than the check-raise to me. -eric |
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Re: 30/60 purebluff JTs vs ihardlyknowher (2+2er)
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[ QUOTE ] I think a c/r here is a better bluff - I'm guessing you were worried about it being checked through? [/ QUOTE ] Of course a check-raise is more likely to succeed, but it's twice as costly when it fails. Do you still stand by this statement? You think that getting 6:1 on a 1 bet bluff here, you do better by check-raising getting 7:2 because you odds of winning improve so dramatically? I'm not convinced either way, I'm just trying to point out that the extra wins come at a steep price, to try to frame the argument between the two bluffs better. If I did take a stand though, I'd say that the bet out looks a lot more profitable than the check-raise to me. -eric [/ QUOTE ] right, I think the extra show of strength (making a fold much more likely) makes up for the decreased pot odds. I'm not familiar with the play at this level, but donking here does not look like an A to me. also, villain might possibly bluff-raise a bet, but will almost certainly not bluff-3bet a c/r. |
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